timbop wrote:
The key to that is the clause "for canon"; somehow we all know canon will not put the exact same AF as the 1d3 for only $1700. They'll compromise somewhere, and I am afraid it will probably be in the area of assist points or something similar. It would be a shame to not include adequate AF assist points for tracking eratic targets just to save $500.
Just to clarify something.
Since I can read Chinese, the 7D poster (if it's genuine) states it'll have 19 all cross AF points. So I guess the 7D won't spot any AF assist points. Sufficient for my needs but not others'.
timbop wrote:
Hate to say this, but I hope the price on CR is wrong (on the low side). I can't see the 19pt AF really being "pro" at that price, with the 1d3 still selling for $3800. If it debuts at $2300 then it is more likely (IMHO) the 7d is a "baby 1d3"
Haha, I've never heard of people wanting something to cost MORE
I always here this crap about Canon camera such as the 5D not having "pro" autofocus. Will somebody please direct me to the wiki or whatever that defines "pro" autofocus?
People here used to complain that it was the number of AF points, but now that we have a large number, it's still possibly being considered not "pro AF".
As far as I'm concerned, the 5D has "pro" autofocus, and so does the 5Dii. Why? Because the most successful pro wedding photographers I know use them both exclusively. With that said, "pro AF" is still a completely arbitrary term.
This thread is hilarious. If the camera was 12MP, people would complain it's too few (like on the Nikon boards), then when it's 15MP or 18MP, people complain it's too many. 9 AF points are too few to be pro. 19 AF points are too many to be pro at a certain price point.
I picture most of the complainers at these FM hardware forums looking like Statler and Waldorf , the old guys in the balcony on the Muppet Show who complained about everything.
musclepics wrote:
Haha, I've never heard of people wanting something to cost MORE
i want gas to cost more, but its not happening i really wish it was $10 a gallon already so people would drive less, and we get fresher air
and i really am tired of looking at rear ends of suvs
musclepics wrote:
I picture most of the complainers at these FM hardware forums looking like Statler and Waldorf , the old guys in the balcony on the Muppet Show who complained about everything.
So I don't think the description necessarily means the camera doesn't have the 26 assist AF points. (Of course, it doesn't mean the camera has them either...)
So I don't think the description necessarily means the camera doesn't have the 26 assist AF points. (Of course, it doesn't mean the camera has them either...)
Interesting.......so Canon is borrowing from Nikon's handbook....... following the steps of the D300..........too bad they missed a beat with the 5DMKII's AF.......but then the video made up for that :-)
roanjohnnyc wrote:
Interesting.......so Canon is borrowing from Nikon's handbook....... following the steps of the D300..........too bad they missed a beat with the 5DMKII's AF.......but then the video made up for that :-)
i dont think they missed the beat, there have to be reasons to buy the 1ds3
and the 5d2 seems to sell just fine at its price point
If the 7D is what we think it is....how can they release a 60D with prices that close? Canon has caught a lot of flak from what the 50D could have been and over doing the MP's on the sensor. It would seem they wouldnt make the same mistake twice on overloading the sensor. Who knows.... You would think with all the money Canon had they could best the Nikon 300s on the focus system AND the noise. You know Nikon sure didnt want to take a chance on upping the MP's on the new 300s's sensor. I hope this thing isnt getting all hyped up like the 50D for nothing. I love my 50D, but I would trade up on a cleaner high ISO performance alone....not even to mention an upgraded focus system, 100% VF, 8 FPS and video.
RobertLynn wrote:
I never said the 5D was a "high performance body"... I think it was targeted at a user who wanted the ability to use a FF sensor, at a price that's within reason, and superb IQ in a 35mm size camera.
I'm not ridiculously defensive about my camera either. I'm straight forward with it, IQ-wise, it's a hard camera to beat, and even the cameras that do beat on it, don't beat on it by too much.
IQ is the winner for me. I use my 5D for sports, not because I want to, but because I have to. I've got a 40D and a 5D. I like a two body attack, and for me, at least until my sports photos really take off, it's going to be these two. I learn to time the camera, and will admit, that when I switch cameras, I have to be careful I'm not thinking about the one when using the other, as it will throw me off.
Maybe my only issue with what you're saying is, and maybe I'm only taking parts of what you're saying and combining it into what I'm reading, but to me, no where does the 5D equal a rebel. I'm a 5D shooter, and yeah I'd love to be shooting 1dmk3's or 1dmk3 and a 5d2, but if the 5D I was using was equatable to a rebel, I'd have chucked it and bought 3-4 used rebels for the price....Show more →
I just said it was sort of like a Rebel with a FF sensor since the fps and all that were closer to a Rebel than anything else, not that the IQ was not way better, etc.
timbop wrote:
The key to that is the clause "for canon"; somehow we all know canon will not put the exact same AF as the 1d3 for only $1700. They'll compromise somewhere, and I am afraid it will probably be in the area of assist points or something similar. It would be a shame to not include adequate AF assist points for tracking eratic targets just to save $500.
yeah it would be so weird if they gave it tons of regular x-type points and no assist and then called it the action cam
and then all the wedding guys and gals are crying about the 5D2 non-center point....
(although i myself am glad the 5d2 got assists more than outer point stuff)
almost like they did it in reverse
anyway we are getting ahead of ourselves, maybe it will do AI Servo fantastically
musclepics wrote:
Haha, I've never heard of people wanting something to cost MORE
I always here this crap about Canon camera such as the 5D not having "pro" autofocus. Will somebody please direct me to the wiki or whatever that defines "pro" autofocus?
People here used to complain that it was the number of AF points, but now that we have a large number, it's still possibly being considered not "pro AF".
As far as I'm concerned, the 5D has "pro" autofocus, and so does the 5Dii. Why? Because the most successful pro wedding photographers I know use them both exclusively. With that said, "pro AF" is still a completely arbitrary term.
This thread is hilarious. If the camera was 12MP, people would complain it's too few (like on the Nikon boards), then when it's 15MP or 18MP, people complain it's too many. 9 AF points are too few to be pro. 19 AF points are too many to be pro at a certain price point.
I picture most of the complainers at these FM hardware forums looking like Statler and Waldorf , the old guys in the balcony on the Muppet Show who complained about everything.
Uh, the 40D body was $1299, kit $1499, when I bought mine.
BTW - the supposed "7D" is a crop. Do you think Canon is going to make 15 or 18mm lense standard on a FF body? That is a somewhat specialized spec. combo for the average moron shooting his kids at Disney World with a telescoping variable max. aperture flimsy plastic lense. I'd say 110% unlikely to happen. But, what do I know. I just started shooting a Mamiya TLR!
So I don't think the description necessarily means the camera doesn't have the 26 assist AF points. (Of course, it doesn't mean the camera has them either...)
although on overview:
"The 1D Mark III has a redesigned 100% viewfinder, a new 45-point AF system, and can shoot "
where is my 5d2 box.... i wonder if it says 9 or 15....
HOLY CRAP! You are onto something man!
My 5D2 box has a little emblem that says.... NINE AF points not a peep about assist points or 15 points anywhere on the box.
So hope is still alive, although there is hardly a guarantee....
It just pisses me off what Canon does with the 5D II's AF and then they make this 1.6X camera. Will Canon never make a 5D sized FF camera with semi-pro AF, like the D700? Because I really want just one camera and that would do it for me.
Yes, of course they will, and that they have offered an new AF in a consumer 1.6x crop means IMO, it's just a matter of time. Next year is Photokina and I'd be willing to bet a 5D II update could come with improved AF, 5fps, etc. One thing with Canon is they do eventually get the message but it can take -3 generations to happen. Just don't upgrade every cycle.
Sibilant wrote: about the 500. The funny thing is that the pro's are probably far less likely to use AF at f/8 anyway. They can afford the big guns and don't want to suffer the IQ penalty of a TC on a f/5.6 lens.
Not that you would need it with an 18MP 1.6x cropper, but I often use a 500 f/4 + 2x on the 1D II. But the 7D has 3.6xthe pixel density and is effectively a 1.9x TC compared to the 1D II. My 500 on a 7D would be like a 950mm on a 1D II. At most you'd need a 1.4x on a 500 or 600.
