Many have suggested that the 1DmkIII's AF issues caused Canon to become "gun-shy" about putting a new AF in the 5DmkII. Does anyone here agree with this or do you think it was purely a marketing decison?
marketing, it's not like the 1dmkii AF system was not available.... who said they had to use the troubled MkIII's?
M Vers wrote:
Mike, I thought you owned a 1DIII prior to the 5DII? Did you only use it for a short period of time? The APS-H sensor format is a good one IMO...it's not FF but then again it does have its advantages.
The only awkward thing is on the wide end. Standard 24- and 28- zooms and standard 24mm fast and TS-E primes are not really wide enough and there are no real APS_H replacements, and certainly not good ones.
Glen_C wrote:
Canon can silence it's (even canon-using) critics & vastly improve it's pro (semi-pro) lineup quite easily:
* 1DmkIV 16-18mp FF & 10FPS
* 7D 15-18MP APS-H & 6-7 FPS with 1D-like AF system. For those wanting the benefits of 1.3x crop but a larger sensor than APS-C.
* then eventually 5DmkIIn with proper AF system.
3 bodies that professional photographers would have much interest in and budget/expense for regular replacement & repair. No pro would use a xxD for "backup" or "second" or "third" body. Would leave the competition scrambling in the pro arena (which trickles down to consumers). Leave the 1Ds at super-high MP for niche, large studios, etc. and forget product overlap. Put it on an island (and price point) of it's own in collusion with Nikon like it does now. 60D & dRebels can appear with usual yearly updates to stay current for the under $1200 market ($600 cheapest rebel, $900 better rebel, $1200 xxD).
That would effectively end the market milking phase of Canon dSLRs. Highly unlikely to happen but......Show more →
let's add one more tier
like your 1 series but split it into integrated grip and non-integrated grip, 1 series and 3 series (3 also a few less specs).
"Economies of scale" I think it's called. Adding another model in Canon's lineup doesn't make financial sense, especially in this economy!! If there is a 7D or 3D, it would be my guess that it would be the result of merging a product line. Or maybe a new "sister" line for the current 5D, since there are two at the consumer and two at the pro levels. I would like to see a new 1 series body like everyone else, but I'm guessing the 50D's replacement will come first (60D?). Maybe in time for the holidays...
ohyeah wrote:
"Economies of scale" I think it's called. Adding another model in Canon's lineup doesn't make financial sense, especially in this economy!! If there is a 7D or 3D, it would be my guess that it would be the result of merging a product line. Or maybe a new "sister" line for the current 5D, since there are two at the consumer and two at the pro levels. I would like to see a new 1 series body like everyone else, but I'm guessing the 50D's replacement will come first (60D?). Maybe in time for the holidays...
I dunno about this. Canon has saturated the market with their Rebel line by continuously updating and replacing their rebel line. They recently split the line in two with the release of the XS. Somehow, I doubt that adding another model in the higher end is going to be a bad move. If anything, it'll get the people that are on the fence with higher end models.
For instance, Joe Shmo can afford a 50D, but cannot afford a 5D2. A 7D that sits in between the 50D and the 5D2 can woo the people who can't justify a 5D2 but can spend just a little more than the 50D.
Nowhere Man wrote:
Good to see you guys never give up on this. Please, keep it going. I'm going to go out and shoot some client photos with the equipment I already have.
People who have been discussing this topic are not only interested in equipment, but also the sales and marketing of the equipment business.
Will Patterson wrote:
So, less than a week away to a potential release for the 7D, what are everyone's predictions?
Me:
New 15MP 1.3x sensor
Digic V
No integrated grip
ISO 100-6400 (H1 and H2 as well)
HD Movie modes
920k LCD
6.5 FPS
19 point AF system
If 7d comes with a 1.3x sensor, I would be disappointed. I wish it would come with a full-size sensor. I wish 7D can be as good as the Nikon D700 in every aspect. Am I being too optimistic?
If it has more than 9 pt AF and 4 fps, then it can't be full frame since it falls below the 5D II. So it will either be Rebel type of FF or maybe a 1.3X sensor to allow the faster fps and improved AF.
The 7d will NOT, in any possible way, be aps-h. Canon plans to eliminate that form factor, so it will either be FF or APS-C (and thus ef-s compatible). As mentioned by jrscls, if it is slated to sell for the same price as the 5dm2 then it cannot be a full frame with better AF and faster frame rate - even with a 12mp sensor. Most likely case based on what has been leaked, is that it will be an APS-C with popup flash and probably better AF than the 50d but NOT 1d AF. What that means exactly I don't know, perhaps a 19 point layout with assist only in the center.
jrscls wrote:
If it has more than 9 pt AF and 4 fps, then it can't be full frame since it falls below the 5D II. So it will either be Rebel type of FF or maybe a 1.3X sensor to allow the faster fps and improved AF.
couldnt Canon update the older 5D2 AF and introduce a 5D2N?
