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p.25 #1Canon 7D
Seeing this thread hit 20 pages before the announcement's been made me remember a year ago when we were all having EOSfun!
I guess (s)he's out shooting in Holland with the 5D2 (or whatever)...
I guess (s)he's out shooting in Holland with the 5D2 (or whatever)...
Aug 24, 2009 at 12:30 PM
p.25 #2Canon 7D
acjeske wrote:
Seeing this thread hit 20 pages before the announcement's been made me remember a year ago when we were all having EOSfun!
I guess (s)he's out shooting in Holland with the 5D2 (or whatever)...
I'm just waiting for more Leaked photos to appear.
Seeing this thread hit 20 pages before the announcement's been made me remember a year ago when we were all having EOSfun!
I guess (s)he's out shooting in Holland with the 5D2 (or whatever)...
I'm just waiting for more Leaked photos to appear.
Aug 24, 2009 at 12:53 PM
p.25 #3Canon 7D
michael49 wrote:
Agreed.
Many have suggested that the 1DmkIII's AF issues caused Canon to become "gun-shy" about putting a new AF in the 5DmkII. Does anyone here agree with this or do you think it was purely a marketing decison?
marketing, it's not like the 1dmkii AF system was not available.... who said they had to use the troubled MkIII's?
M Vers wrote
.. The problem with the 5D was always it's focus speed and accuracy when using peripheral points at wide apertures...this is where the 5D fell short of 'ideal'. Landscape, macro and portraiture can be, and for some is, done using 100% MF. Not only is AF speed/accuracy a downfall for the 5D but so is the AF point spread...or better worded 'cluster'. I feel the point many seem to be missing in regards to the 5DII's recycled AF system is the fact that it took three years to release a successor to the 5D, that's three years of technological advancement, yet the 5DII carried on a legacy a lot of 5D owners wanted to forget--it's AF system. Obviously there are those who can overlook this, but why shouldn't the upgrade have been a complete upgrade? Canon pissed in the coffee and while some don't mind it, it has left a very bitter taste in the mouths of many others.Many have suggested that the 1DmkIII's AF issues caused Canon to become "gun-shy" about putting a new AF in the 5DmkII. Does anyone here agree with this or do you think it was purely a marketing decison?
marketing, it's not like the 1dmkii AF system was not available.... who said they had to use the troubled MkIII's?
Aug 24, 2009 at 01:16 PM
p.25 #4Canon 7D
M Vers wrote:
I haven't really decided how I will feel if the 7D is 1.3X crop. A 1.3X crop with very good AF, more reasonable AF point spread, excellent high ISO performance, 6-8fps in the form factor of a 5D would be an interestnig camera and one that I would certainly give some thought to owning depending on the price.Mike, I thought you owned a 1DIII prior to the 5DII? Did you only use it for a short period of time? The APS-H sensor format is a good one IMO...it's not FF but then again it does have its advantages.
The only awkward thing is on the wide end. Standard 24- and 28- zooms and standard 24mm fast and TS-E primes are not really wide enough and there are no real APS_H replacements, and certainly not good ones.
That would be my worry.
michael49 wrote
I've used FF and 1.6X crop, but I've never really spent time with a 1.3X crop body.I haven't really decided how I will feel if the 7D is 1.3X crop. A 1.3X crop with very good AF, more reasonable AF point spread, excellent high ISO performance, 6-8fps in the form factor of a 5D would be an interestnig camera and one that I would certainly give some thought to owning depending on the price.
The only awkward thing is on the wide end. Standard 24- and 28- zooms and standard 24mm fast and TS-E primes are not really wide enough and there are no real APS_H replacements, and certainly not good ones.
That would be my worry.
Aug 24, 2009 at 01:21 PM
p.25 #5Canon 7D
Glen_C wrote:
Canon can silence it's (even canon-using) critics & vastly improve it's pro (semi-pro) lineup quite easily:
* 1DmkIV 16-18mp FF & 10FPS
* 7D 15-18MP APS-H & 6-7 FPS with 1D-like AF system. For those wanting the benefits of 1.3x crop but a larger sensor than APS-C.
* then eventually 5DmkIIn with proper AF system.
3 bodies that professional photographers would have much interest in and budget/expense for regular replacement & repair. No pro would use a xxD for "backup" or "second" or "third" body. Would leave the competition scrambling in the pro arena (which trickles down to consumers). Leave the 1Ds at...Show more →
let's add one more tier
like your 1 series but split it into integrated grip and non-integrated grip, 1 series and 3 series (3 also a few less specs).
Canon can silence it's (even canon-using) critics & vastly improve it's pro (semi-pro) lineup quite easily:
* 1DmkIV 16-18mp FF & 10FPS
* 7D 15-18MP APS-H & 6-7 FPS with 1D-like AF system. For those wanting the benefits of 1.3x crop but a larger sensor than APS-C.
* then eventually 5DmkIIn with proper AF system.
3 bodies that professional photographers would have much interest in and budget/expense for regular replacement & repair. No pro would use a xxD for "backup" or "second" or "third" body. Would leave the competition scrambling in the pro arena (which trickles down to consumers). Leave the 1Ds at...Show more →
let's add one more tier
like your 1 series but split it into integrated grip and non-integrated grip, 1 series and 3 series (3 also a few less specs).
Aug 24, 2009 at 01:24 PM
p.25 #6Canon 7D
"Economies of scale" I think it's called. Adding another model in Canon's lineup doesn't make financial sense, especially in this economy!! If there is a 7D or 3D, it would be my guess that it would be the result of merging a product line. Or maybe a new "sister" line for the current 5D, since there are two at the consumer and two at the pro levels. I would like to see a new 1 series body like everyone else, but I'm guessing the 50D's replacement will come first (60D?). Maybe in time for the holidays...
Aug 24, 2009 at 01:35 PM
p.25 #7Canon 7D
ohyeah wrote:
"Economies of scale" I think it's called. Adding another model in Canon's lineup doesn't make financial sense, especially in this economy!! If there is a 7D or 3D, it would be my guess that it would be the result of merging a product line. Or maybe a new "sister" line for the current 5D, since there are two at the consumer and two at the pro levels. I would like to see a new 1 series body like everyone else, but I'm guessing the 50D's replacement will come first (60D?). Maybe in time for the holidays...
I dunno about this. Canon has saturated the market with their Rebel line by continuously updating and replacing their rebel line. They recently split the line in two with the release of the XS. Somehow, I doubt that adding another model in the higher end is going to be a bad move. If anything, it'll get the people that are on the fence with higher end models.
For instance, Joe Shmo can afford a 50D, but cannot afford a 5D2. A 7D that sits in between the 50D and the 5D2 can woo the people who can't justify a 5D2 but can spend just a little more than the 50D.
"Economies of scale" I think it's called. Adding another model in Canon's lineup doesn't make financial sense, especially in this economy!! If there is a 7D or 3D, it would be my guess that it would be the result of merging a product line. Or maybe a new "sister" line for the current 5D, since there are two at the consumer and two at the pro levels. I would like to see a new 1 series body like everyone else, but I'm guessing the 50D's replacement will come first (60D?). Maybe in time for the holidays...
I dunno about this. Canon has saturated the market with their Rebel line by continuously updating and replacing their rebel line. They recently split the line in two with the release of the XS. Somehow, I doubt that adding another model in the higher end is going to be a bad move. If anything, it'll get the people that are on the fence with higher end models.
For instance, Joe Shmo can afford a 50D, but cannot afford a 5D2. A 7D that sits in between the 50D and the 5D2 can woo the people who can't justify a 5D2 but can spend just a little more than the 50D.
Aug 24, 2009 at 01:39 PM
p.25 #10Canon 7D
ISO1600 wrote:
nObO, Glen, and M Vers, you are a bunch of babies.
Good one
nObO, Glen, and M Vers, you are a bunch of babies.
Good one
Aug 24, 2009 at 04:36 PM
p.25 #11Canon 7D
Good to see you guys never give up on this. Please, keep it going. I'm going to go out and shoot some client photos with the equipment I already have.
Aug 24, 2009 at 05:17 PM
p.25 #12Canon 7D
Nowhere Man wrote:
Good to see you guys never give up on this. Please, keep it going. I'm going to go out and shoot some client photos with the equipment I already have.
People who have been discussing this topic are not only interested in equipment, but also the sales and marketing of the equipment business.
Good to see you guys never give up on this. Please, keep it going. I'm going to go out and shoot some client photos with the equipment I already have.
People who have been discussing this topic are not only interested in equipment, but also the sales and marketing of the equipment business.
Aug 24, 2009 at 05:23 PM
p.25 #14Canon 7D
So, less than a week away to a potential release for the 7D, what are everyone's predictions?
Me:
New 15MP 1.3x sensor
Digic V
No integrated grip
ISO 100-6400 (H1 and H2 as well)
HD Movie modes
920k LCD
6.5 FPS
19 point AF system
Me:
New 15MP 1.3x sensor
Digic V
No integrated grip
ISO 100-6400 (H1 and H2 as well)
HD Movie modes
920k LCD
6.5 FPS
19 point AF system
Aug 24, 2009 at 05:36 PM
p.25 #15Canon 7D
Will Patterson wrote:
So, less than a week away to a potential release for the 7D, what are everyone's predictions?
Me:
New 15MP 1.3x sensor
Digic V
No integrated grip
ISO 100-6400 (H1 and H2 as well)
HD Movie modes
920k LCD
6.5 FPS
19 point AF system
If 7d comes with a 1.3x sensor, I would be disappointed. I wish it would come with a full-size sensor. I wish 7D can be as good as the Nikon D700 in every aspect. Am I being too optimistic?
Edited on Aug 24, 2009 at 05:59 PM · View previous versions
So, less than a week away to a potential release for the 7D, what are everyone's predictions?
Me:
New 15MP 1.3x sensor
Digic V
No integrated grip
ISO 100-6400 (H1 and H2 as well)
HD Movie modes
920k LCD
6.5 FPS
19 point AF system
If 7d comes with a 1.3x sensor, I would be disappointed. I wish it would come with a full-size sensor. I wish 7D can be as good as the Nikon D700 in every aspect. Am I being too optimistic?
Edited on Aug 24, 2009 at 05:59 PM · View previous versions
Aug 24, 2009 at 05:56 PM
p.25 #16Canon 7D
If it has more than 9 pt AF and 4 fps, then it can't be full frame since it falls below the 5D II. So it will either be Rebel type of FF or maybe a 1.3X sensor to allow the faster fps and improved AF.
Aug 24, 2009 at 05:59 PM
p.25 #17Canon 7D
OK, why not:
The 7d will NOT, in any possible way, be aps-h. Canon plans to eliminate that form factor, so it will either be FF or APS-C (and thus ef-s compatible). As mentioned by jrscls, if it is slated to sell for the same price as the 5dm2 then it cannot be a full frame with better AF and faster frame rate - even with a 12mp sensor. Most likely case based on what has been leaked, is that it will be an APS-C with popup flash and probably better AF than the 50d but NOT 1d AF. What that means exactly I don't know, perhaps a 19 point layout with assist only in the center.
The 7d will NOT, in any possible way, be aps-h. Canon plans to eliminate that form factor, so it will either be FF or APS-C (and thus ef-s compatible). As mentioned by jrscls, if it is slated to sell for the same price as the 5dm2 then it cannot be a full frame with better AF and faster frame rate - even with a 12mp sensor. Most likely case based on what has been leaked, is that it will be an APS-C with popup flash and probably better AF than the 50d but NOT 1d AF. What that means exactly I don't know, perhaps a 19 point layout with assist only in the center.
Aug 24, 2009 at 06:16 PM
p.25 #18Canon 7D
jrscls wrote:
If it has more than 9 pt AF and 4 fps, then it can't be full frame since it falls below the 5D II. So it will either be Rebel type of FF or maybe a 1.3X sensor to allow the faster fps and improved AF.
couldnt Canon update the older 5D2 AF and introduce a 5D2N?
If it has more than 9 pt AF and 4 fps, then it can't be full frame since it falls below the 5D II. So it will either be Rebel type of FF or maybe a 1.3X sensor to allow the faster fps and improved AF.
couldnt Canon update the older 5D2 AF and introduce a 5D2N?
Aug 24, 2009 at 06:39 PM