mark d s wrote:
Are you suggesting that Canon have realised the impact of viral marketing Surely not!
skidbum5... which bits from your original image (well, not yours per se) were obscured? I was just commenting on the current image that's widely circulated.
* 15.1mp (apparently it will be the same sensor with some internal upgrades)
* DIGIC V (DIGIC IV a stopover to a big advancement in processing)
* New 13 Point AF
* 1080p Movie Mode
* 8fps
* 3″ VGA LCD
* 98% VF
* New Battery
* Weathersealing
* Ergonomic Upgrades
* 1x Compact Flash and 1x Secure Digital Slots
If the 13 points in that rumor are all cross type like the 1D series, but without the helper points, this will be a killer compact sports cam. could be good either way.
* 15.1mp (apparently it will be the same sensor with some internal upgrades)
* DIGIC V (DIGIC IV a stopover to a big advancement in processing)
* New 13 Point AF
* 1080p Movie Mode
* 8fps
* 3″ VGA LCD
* 98% VF
* New Battery
* Weathersealing
* Ergonomic Upgrades
* 1x Compact Flash and 1x Secure Digital Slots
This actually sounds reasonable. I question the AF and the dual card slots, but...
"By that reasoning why do they make 7 camera models? "
that's not "by that reasoning" at all. again, for different groups of people/markets. i suspect we are going to be agreeing to disagree, even if this new 60D/7D does indeed appear to be a cropper.
* 15.1mp (apparently it will be the same sensor with some internal upgrades)
* DIGIC V (DIGIC IV a stopover to a big advancement in processing)
* New 13 Point AF
* 1080p Movie Mode
* 8fps
* 3″ VGA LCD
* 98% VF
* New Battery
* Weathersealing
* Ergonomic Upgrades
* 1x Compact Flash and 1x Secure Digital Slots
That would stop be buying a D300s if the AF is good.
Interesting to see that so many specs are floating around, and it is still unclear if the 7D and 60D are the same. Canon is doing a very good job to keep the info from leaking.
I really don't know if I believe this. I think Canon is happy with their 5DII for now, and will take another year at least for a "7D". Now 60D, me wants.
* 15.1mp (apparently it will be the same sensor with some internal upgrades)
* DIGIC V (DIGIC IV a stopover to a big advancement in processing)
* New 13 Point AF
* 1080p Movie Mode
* 8fps
* 3″ VGA LCD
* 98% VF
* New Battery
* Weathersealing
* Ergonomic Upgrades
* 1x Compact Flash and 1x Secure Digital Slots
From upcdatabase.com:
-12mp
-5fps,Up to 21 RAW files
-dust removing system
-15-point TTL CMOS sensor
-Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
-96% frame coverage
-Magnification: 0.71x
-3.0 " 640480 TFT LCD (920,000 pixels)
-ISO 50-3200 extended to 12800 and 25600
-DIGIC III, 14-bit
-Canon EF lens mount (not EF-S)
-Live View Mode
-The Body Is Much Identical to 5D, Could Share The Handgrip
-Surprisingly cheap, US: $ 1,899
From Canonrumors:
12.1mp Full Frame
DIGIC IV
3″ OLED
ISO 100-25,600 (Probably a 50ISO L Setting)
3.9fps
Also from canonrumors:
18mp
8fps
19 AF Points
from askthephotographer.com:
- 21.1 MP full frame
- Dual Digic III Processor
- ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
- 5 frames per second
- 3 inch high resolution LCD screen
- 19 point AF
- Liveview
- Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
- No pop-up flash
- Full weather sealing
Some things to consider. The competition isn't from Nikon alone. Sony is introducing an under $2K FF DSLR, so it would make sense for Canon to answer that in order to avoid losing market share.
Also, if the current 50D, with 9 cross AF points, was implemented with Digic V, its AF would be improved. And better chroma noise improvement would also go a long way in improving it.
So, take the 50D add a better noise performance sensor, 4 more AF points, Digic V and 1080p, then you have a great camera for around $1500 USD.
Fred Relaix wrote:
Interesting to see that so many specs are floating around, and it is still unclear if the 7D and 60D are the same. Canon is doing a very good job to keep the info from leaking.
All of this spec-wishing reminds me of the scene in "Wierd Science" where the two computer nerds (I can say that because I've been a techie nerd since 1965) were inventing the specs for their dream woman.
The proximity of the 7D logo to the lens mount is similar to that of the XXD models. The 5D logo is further away from the lens mount as that side of the camera is larger compared to the XXD series.
I'm guessing it's the next iteration of the XXD series.
-12mp
-5fps,Up to 21 RAW files
-dust removing system
-15-point TTL CMOS sensor
-Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
-96% frame coverage
-Magnification: 0.71x
-3.0 " 640480 TFT LCD (920,000 pixels)
-ISO 50-3200 extended to 12800 and 25600
-DIGIC III, 14-bit
-Canon EF lens mount (not EF-S)
-Live View Mode
-The Body Is Much Identical to 5D, Could Share The Handgrip
-Surprisingly cheap, US: $ 1,899
If I had to pick among the contenders, I'd guess that this one would be it. Full Frame for all!
Some things to consider. The competition isn't from Nikon alone. Sony is introducing an under $2K FF DSLR, so it would make sense for Canon to answer that in order to avoid losing market share.
Canon doesn't "answer" to camera models released by competitors. It just doesn't work that way. They give part of their product philosophy in the Canon Camera Museum website where they detail the development of the T-90, and in one interview an executive talked about their five-year planning method and model structure pyramid concept.
Each manufacturer has a unique view of its market and a unique product philosophy. In a rare case, the product philosophy might even be embodied in a single individual. One such case was Olympus' magnificent OM-1, which was the brainchild of designer Mr Maitani--so much a product of his personal philosophy that "OM" stood for "Olympus-Maitani"--not a common celebration of the individual in Japan.
Canon's view of its market is not the same as Nikon's view, nor is Canon's product philosophy the same as Nikon's. Nikon, for instance, has always been the ultimate PJ camera since their rangefinder days, and their higher-end models will always show a distinct design slant toward PJ-oriented features.
Since the 60s, Canon has always leveraged its electronic prowess, and that's what you will see in their products.
Between their long planning cycles (five years is equal to "after I'm dead" to the Western business mind) and their different worldviews, neither company sees any particular model of a competitor as "something we must answer." They don't intend to have a direct model-for-model competition, rather they have a competition of entire product lines based on which company has the more accurate view of the market and how the market can be subsetted.
This does not totally insulate them from true technology disruptions. When Minolta released its Maxuum 7000--the first commercially viable autofocus SLR--it caught Canon only a few months away from releasing their T-90 (probably the most awesome manual 35mm SLR ever made).
The Maxuum was a true disruptive technology that instantly obsoleted everything else in the industry. Canon had no choice but to release the obsolete-at-birth T90 and a few more manual cameras that were also too far along in production to halt. It took them three years (probably very long years in their R&D department--there may have been a few designers who committed hari kari over the decision to dump the FD mount) to field their own autofocus camera.
In those three years, it was obvious that Canon could not simply "answer" the Minolta Maxuum 7000. That would put them three years behind the power curve. They had to develop a system that, when fielded, would be more advanced than any competitor could be in three years...and the EF mount did just that.
I believe we saw Nikon at the end of their previous planning cycle during the two-years or so of lackluster releases from them (while their marketing division was still saying "We don' need no steenkeen full frame" to sell the cameras of their previous cycle, they were in a cycle of calmly planning exactly the opposite), and then we have seen the results of their latest planning cycle in the flurry of releases over these past few months.
Today, Canon won't "answer" the Nikon D700. We don't know where they are in their current 5-year planning cycle. They could be near the end, and we may in the next year or two see the results of a new planning cycle, which will be intended to place Canon ahead of what Nikon or Sony can do over the course of their current planning cycle.
RalphJ wrote:
Take your pick! The 7D can be any camera you want it to be!
All of these specs have been posted in the past week:
From upcdatabase.com:
-12mp
-5fps,Up to 21 RAW files
-dust removing system
-15-point TTL CMOS sensor
-Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
-96% frame coverage
-Magnification: 0.71x
-3.0 " 640~480 TFT LCD (920,000 pixels)
-ISO 50-3200 extended to 12800 and 25600
-DIGIC III, 14-bit
-Canon EF lens mount (not EF-S)
-Live View Mode
-The Body Is Much Identical to 5D, Could Share The Handgrip
-Surprisingly cheap, US: $ 1,899
From Canonrumors:
12.1mp Full Frame
DIGIC IV
3 OLED
ISO 100-25,600 (Probably a 50ISO L Setting)
3.9fps
Also from canonrumors:
18mp
8fps
19 AF Points
from askthephotographer.com:
- 21.1 MP full frame
- Dual Digic III Processor
- ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
- 5 frames per second
- 3 inch high resolution LCD screen
- 19 point AF
- Liveview
- Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
- No pop-up flash
- Full weather sealing
All of these specs for one camera. Wow, this should satisfiy everyone. I am 100% certain that some of these specs will be found in Canon's next camera! So compiled it could look like this;
RDKirk wrote:
Canon doesn't "answer" to camera models released by competitors. It just doesn't work that way. They give part of their product philosophy in the Canon Camera Museum website where they detail the development of the T-90, and in one interview an executive talked about their five-year planning method and model structure pyramid concept.
Each manufacturer has a unique view of its market and a unique product philosophy. In a rare case, the product philosophy might even be embodied in a single individual. One such case was Olympus' magnificent OM-1, which was the brainchild of designer Mr Maitani--so much a product of his personal philosophy that "OM" stood for "Olympus-Maitani"--not a common celebration of the individual in Japan.
Canon's view of its market is not the same as Nikon's view, nor is Canon's product philosophy the same as Nikon's. Nikon, for instance, has always been the ultimate PJ camera since their rangefinder days, and their higher-end models will always show a distinct design slant toward PJ-oriented features.
Since the 60s, Canon has always leveraged its electronic prowess, and that's what you will see in their products.
Between their long planning cycles (five years is equal to "after I'm dead" to the Western business mind) and their different worldviews, neither company sees any particular model of a competitor as "something we must answer." They don't intend to have a direct model-for-model competition, rather they have a competition of entire product lines based on which company has the more accurate view of the market and how the market can be subsetted.
This does not totally insulate them from true technology disruptions. When Minolta released its Maxuum 7000--the first commercially viable autofocus SLR--it caught Canon only a few months away from releasing their T-90 (probably the most awesome manual 35mm SLR ever made).
The Maxuum was a true disruptive technology that instantly obsoleted everything else in the industry. Canon had no choice but to release the obsolete-at-birth T90 and a few more manual cameras that were also too far along in production to halt. It took them three years (probably very long years in their R&D department--there may have been a few designers who committed hari kari over the decision to dump the FD mount) to field their own autofocus camera.
In those three years, it was obvious that Canon could not simply "answer" the Minolta Maxuum 7000. That would put them three years behind the power curve. They had to develop a system that, when fielded, would be more advanced than any competitor could be in three years...and the EF mount did just that.
I believe we saw Nikon at the end of their previous planning cycle during the two-years or so of lackluster releases from them (while their marketing division was still saying "We don' need no steenkeen full frame" to sell the cameras of their previous cycle, they were in a cycle of calmly planning exactly the opposite), and then we have seen the results of their latest planning cycle in the flurry of releases over these past few months.
Today, Canon won't "answer" the Nikon D700. We don't know where they are in their current 5-year planning cycle. They could be near the end, and we may in the next year or two see the results of a new planning cycle, which will be intended to place Canon ahead of what Nikon or Sony can do over the course of their current planning cycle....Show more →
Surely not!
