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Mike Mahoney
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p.6 #1 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


I just got my new strap purchased from a Canadian online retailer and it does not look like any of the ones posted here so far.

Is this type of clip giving any problems?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3374/3549763097_bd542b3494_o.jpg



May 20, 2009 at 09:22 PM
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p.6 #2 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


Mike Mahoney wrote:
I just got my new strap purchased from a Canadian online retailer and it does not look like any of the ones posted here so far.

Is this type of clip giving any problems?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3374/3549763097_bd542b3494_o.jpg


nope you got you the old version, but for only $30 more dollars you can upgrade it to the new yet still faulty version like the rest of us woohoo i hate this company



May 20, 2009 at 09:25 PM
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alemmo wrote:
nope you got you the old version, but for only $30 more dollars you can upgrade it to the new yet still faulty version like the rest of us woohoo i hate this company

thanks .. I feel better. I think.



May 20, 2009 at 09:40 PM
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p.6 #4 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


Mike Mahoney wrote:
I just got my new strap purchased from a Canadian online retailer and it does not look like any of the ones posted here so far.

Is this type of clip giving any problems?



That's the old style. Myself and many others have had no problems with it. I removed the plastic safety tube and installed a sligthtly longer one. But as I said, no problems.

Kiron Kid



May 20, 2009 at 10:23 PM
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p.6 #5 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


Well try http://www.cameraslingers.net/ if you choose to buy one coupon code is Gary


May 21, 2009 at 02:38 AM
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p.6 #6 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


Mike Mahoney wrote:
I just got my new strap purchased from a Canadian online retailer and it does not look like any of the ones posted here so far.

Is this type of clip giving any problems?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3374/3549763097_bd542b3494_o.jpg


Yeah its the old version. The fastener on this version is obtrusive and worth the upgrade, but the connectR .. well, the jury is still out on that one



May 21, 2009 at 03:27 AM
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p.6 #7 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


Anyone ever get as much as a response from their customer support.
I sure can't.



May 21, 2009 at 09:10 AM
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p.6 #8 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


So, call me crazy, but, uh, what's wrong with the stock camera straps? I've never had a problem with my Canon straps...


May 21, 2009 at 09:21 AM
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p.6 #9 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


In my case try wearing two cameras (1 with a grip and a 70-200 f2.8 lens) for a couple of hours and see how great your neck feel.


May 21, 2009 at 01:17 PM
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p.6 #10 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


Gert a couple of UPstraps and wear them on your shouders.


May 21, 2009 at 01:28 PM
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p.6 #11 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


What I like about the BlackRapid is being able to carry two cameras without them interfering with each other. I also don't get straps going across the back of the camera (and my face and eyes) while shooting in different positions. Can't tell you how many times I've lifted the camera on my left shoulder up to my eye, just to have the strap going right across the viewfinder (missing the shot).


May 21, 2009 at 03:38 PM
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I don't even know where to start on this one, ... But here goes...

For starters, the general idea of a sling-based camera strap is great. It really comes into its own in a two-camera setup, especially for me because I have a build that doesn't really let me hang cameras off my shoulders (they slip off, so I am always a across the chest or bandoleer style guy). I find that as long as I have one camera sling based, and the other cam with a more traditional strap, I can effortlessly deal with two cams simultaneously -- either both over the same shoulder or one over each shoulder (bandoleer style). I just put the sling on the bottom, with the other on the top. That way, I can easily bring either camera up to my eye. Not to say two slings wouldn't be awesome. Just saying that I feel that a semi-DIY sling on one camera gives me 90+% of the value in a two cam scenario.

Second point is I find their whole patent thing kind of bogus. As I see other climbers have been in this thread, I can say as a climber myself in a former life (climbed for 10 years, now retired, but best achievement was probably solo-aiding The Leaning Tower, although I spent most of my time doing multi-pitch trad in Yosemite), I personally used to sling disposable cameras to my rack while climbing more than ten years ago, and I wasn't the only one. There's plenty of prior use in my opinion, and the idea is obvious too, but whatever. That said, I hope they perfect it, everyone deserves to try this type of strap out.

Third, I kind of find their whole "we aren't responsible for your camera" disclaimer somewhat obnoxious, if not comical. Wait, let me get this straight, you're selling me a camera strap, a "camera" strap, and you're showing me demo videos of how to specifically use your strap with a camera, but if I put my camera with a nice lens on it and it craters and breaks on the ground because of a defective part/design, you're telling me I'm responsible? IANAL, but I doubt that would hold up in court, you can't disclaim away something like that. Anyway, I don't really blame them for trying, but if $6K worth of my gear broke because the piece unscrewed, I'd be pretty pissed. Also, something tells me if they were on the hook for that, we wouldn't have cameras hitting the ground. In all fairness though, they do seem to be doing the right thing with what essentially is a mini recall. I kind of feel sorry for them considering they are on the cusp of nailing the design, the last thing they needed was an unforeseen problem like this right as they launch the improved parts.

Lastly, I thought I'd share some of my current thinking/rigging with respect to building the ultimate sling strap. I recently bought the new FastenR-2 and ConnectR-2 parts (without the strap), and I must say, besides the unscrewing problem, they seem like a great combo. But a combo I don't fully trust for obvious reasons. To complicate matters, I ordered mine during the window of the recall (call it what it is), but it came with no "tape on it" (referenced in the recall email), so I have no idea if this is a bad one, or the good one, or if maybe even a new one is still coming in the mail. Also, I've had no luck in getting any customer service either. So, I tried to unscrew my ConnectR-2, but it won't give, seems solid. So here I am actually probably loosening up the loctite, , because I don't know if I have a good one or not.

Nonetheless, I've finally settled on what is my normal rigging for this thing. I took the idea about backing up the system with 3mm cord (from the other climbers) a step further. I figure, why only back up the ConnectR when you can back up the whole system? So, I basically created what I'll call a safety "leash" out of 3mm cord that goes from the D-Ring part of the ConnectR straight up to one of the strap loops on the camera itself. That way if either part fails, or if the FastenR somehow unscrews itself from the tripod socket, I'm fully protected. I used a "split ring" to tie the cord off to the camera so it was a little more removable without untying the knot, but the 3mm can be tied off directly to the cam if you want to do it that way (just burn the end and flatten it before threading). I left just enough slack for the cam to be able to rotate a couple of 360s before getting tangled, and for the most part I just leave the leash permanently attached. The other thing this does is I can swap in my Manfrotto quick release plate for the FastenR, and then connect the ConnectR to the plate, which yes is a little sketchy, but with my full backup, it's no worries. I use this setup when I want to be able to switch between hand held and a tripod or monopod at will. Just unclip the ConnectR from the plate, and drop the plate into the quick release, and your in. In a tripod scenario, I just remove the strap from my shoulder and let it hang off the leash. In a monopod scenario, I leave the strap on myself and the leash still protects me from dropping the pod/cam even though the ConnectR isn't even attached.

One last comment is you'll notice I'm just using a piece of 1" tubular black webbing as a strap (tied with an overhand, but I might switch that with a Tri Glide instead at some point). For shorter periods of time, the tubular webbing is pretty comfortable on its own and is not bulky at all (head's up that the tubular stuff is "softer/smoother" than just a straight piece of 1" wide nylon). For longer periods of time, I just slip a shoulder pad from one of my messenger bags over the webbing. So, if you're willing to go this route, you can pretty much make a decent sling strap for the cost of a ConnectR (with a Manfrotto plate) or the cost of a ConnectR+FastenR. All good!

(Please excuse the photo quality here, I was lazy and used my iPhone for these.)

http://www.baytaper.com/temp/br1.jpg

http://www.baytaper.com/temp/br2.jpg



May 21, 2009 at 11:24 PM
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p.6 #13 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


here is the setup with the mash clip from ITW

http://i.pbase.com/o2/89/44489/1/112866307.4v6xC5Iy.IMG_0708.jpg

not as quite as smooth running but not an issue. there is only 2 ways this is coming off
1 you actually unclip it. and that is slide back the the elastic cover and ungate by squeezing and going through both hasps
2 it gets pulled through the webbing itself and that will be great pain for whoever is wearing it at the time.

regretfully the setup above this by Taynt3d is totally impractical due to the need to untie the knot each time you need to remove the camera.



May 23, 2009 at 02:27 PM
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there is only 2 ways this is coming off

There is one more way, and that is it unscrews out of the tripod socket. Not saying that's likely at all, but it is a risk however small, and probably one that is slightly increased by not having any swivel in there.

regretfully the setup above this by Taynt3d is totally impractical due to the need to untie the knot each time you need to remove the camera.

For some people, some uses, some situations, this is true. That said, for some my "leash" might be OK, works for me in most situations, and since it backs up the entire system, it gives me HUGE peace of mind knowing there is basically no possible way for my sh!t to hit the ground, which makes the hassle of the leash completely worth it for me (but like you said, it's not for everyone, just sharing one man's varient on things). It's great with the quick release if you switch b/w hand held and a monopod a lot).

I first actually tried using a little mini clip to tie off the leash to the cam, but that failed my QA tests (it opened up if a lot of force was applied). That's when I went with the split ring, which is totally bomber and actually can be removed without untying the not, there's a split ring in there, but it is a hassle nonetheless. I do wonder if I could find anything else instead of the split ring to clip off the leash to the cam and that would still hold up with force.



May 23, 2009 at 03:10 PM
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p.6 #15 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


Taynt3d wrote:
I do wonder if I could find anything else instead of the split ring to clip off the leash to the cam and that would still hold up with force.

An OpTech Pro Loop can take the place of both split ring and cord and can add a quick disconnect.



May 23, 2009 at 05:17 PM
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Taynt3d wrote:
There is one more way, and that is it unscrews out of the tripod socket. Not saying that's likely at all, but it is a risk however small, and probably one that is slightly increased by not having any swivel in there.

For some people, some uses, some situations, this is true. That said, for some my "leash" might be OK, works for me in most situations, and since it backs up the entire system, it gives me HUGE peace of mind knowing there is basically no possible way for my sh!t to hit the ground, which makes the hassle
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well actually i like that it doesn"t spin free now. i set it up to take a particular hanging position i want and if it doesn't drop into that position then it has moved. being that i am aware that i have MY camera there i keep conscious of whats going on with it. with the spinning full rotations with generally a 6" lens or more on it i'd notice. there is also a good 120 deg slack before it hits the "stops" that would load the screw to try to turn it. so at this point i am not concerned



May 23, 2009 at 06:15 PM
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p.6 #17 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


ok we're back with the extra safety again. thanks to RRS and a few other makers you can take a loop and add a paranoia safety loop assy to mine that will make it pretty darn hard to spin off and in addition still catch a falling piece of pricey tech should all else fail. oh yeah it qiick releases and attaches at the same time with camera. it also will not interfere with the clamp in landscape mode at all even though its there. plenty of clearance.

http://i.pbase.com/o2/89/44489/1/112872816.GCUWsWgW.IMG_0709.jpg
as you know in climbing the more complex you make things the more apt they are to fail.

Edited on May 23, 2009 at 06:53 PM · View previous versions



May 23, 2009 at 06:36 PM
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pasph wrote:
An OpTech Pro Loop can take the place of both split ring and cord and can add a quick disconnect.


and then that would be attached to what then? what then would you add to support the other end of the buckle assy. we are talking $7 total of clip and cord over the initial debacles price.



May 23, 2009 at 06:46 PM
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p.6 #19 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/119513.jpg
1 loop attaches to camera and the other to CR-2
I already have an OpTech strap so no additional cost



May 23, 2009 at 07:09 PM
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p.6 #20 · BlackRapid Strap -- Warning!!!


yeah i have a few of them here i don't use. i just love to add as much bulk and complexity as possible to my gear that i can. i mean its great as part of their neck strap but it's over 10" long at its shortest and almost 3/4" wide. the cost is $7. the simple loop i put in is under 3" tied and cost less the $0.50.

the cord is actually stronger and even lighter too
http://i.pbase.com/o2/89/44489/1/112874346.kYzhDb93.IMG_0710.jpg



simple and strong and easily replaced.



May 23, 2009 at 07:16 PM
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