Samuli Vahonen
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Conner999 wrote:
Having owned both modern Leica 180 APOs and the Cv 180 APO, if I could get a lens that was 25% (I got mine, my second, for roughly $500 recently) of the price of a used 180/2.8 APO yet was second in that FL in terms of resolution and APO correction ONLY to the 180/2.8 APO, I'd call that a bargain. If, as a Nikon shooter, this also saved me stop-down metering, the bargain only gets better.
As an FYI, the CV 90/3.5 APO is even sharper than the 180 and, having owned all three CV APOs (90, 180, 125), the best of the three, followed by (in order) the 180 and 125. Bokeh form all three is very similar - buttery smooth.
For close to the same price (give it time, hell, CV 125 AiS units have gone for $1900 on Ebay, so you never know..) , the Leica 180 APOs are unquestionably king, but that hasn't happened yet.
Given that Lloyd is 'offering' his 180/4 APO for sale for $2000 (the price of a used leica 180/2.8 AP0), the cheapest (in is his words) he would let it go for says a lot....Show more →
My decision is not based to what he said, it's combination of that and the example photos and thinks I noticed earlier in samples (which I at the time interpret to bad sharpening/post processing technique, but it seems it's character of the lens). To me the example photos just lack any pop and 3D. With these butter smooth bokeh lenses the 3d/"pop" can will only be achieved by using so small DOF that image becomes "layered", e.g. close ups with long focal length.
I just don't like the look what the ultra smooth transition from DOF to bokeh causes. This is of course my personal opinion, I don't buy any lens based on that somebody says it's good. With Leica 80-200/4 I took risk, let's see how I can adapt to Leica's neutral characterless bokeh or rendering.
Well let's see, I'm now shooting with 1DmkIII, and strongly preferring Zeiss. Maybe when we get 40+Mpix DSLRs I'll get the 2kEUR 180, 3kEUR 90 Voigtlanders ;-) if Zeiss resolution is no longer enough.
Conner999 wrote:
As a DAP subscriber, Lloyd's tests look pretty accurate vs. my experience. CV's SLR and rangefinder lenses are typically lower in MACRO contrast (which can fool the eye into thinking are soft, which they are not) than Leica -- and both, in turn, are typically lower in macro contrast than Zeiss, but macro contrast is easy to add in PP if desired. Resolution (micro contrast) and APO correction, well, isn't ;>
I hate digital darkroom work, I try to minimize it. In any case for panoramas and HDR photos I have to spend more than enough time in front of the computer.
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