apdieb wrote:
I have a grip coming in for my 5D2 Thursday... Hopefully, I am not cussing the camera after the weekend.
You might be cursing it. I am not exactly in love with the grip. But I have never liked any detachable grip, except maybe the one in the 10D. They all look and feel like an afterthought when compared to a 1 series.
Andi Dietrich, agreed i think i will coin a phrase don't get mad cause u spent all that money and a cheaper camera shoots images as good or better. "5D MKII haters" don't hate the camera hate the game. you should be pissed at Canon. i have noticed the biggest whiners are 1dsmkiii owners may be?
ward1066 wrote:
only whining I have heard is 5DI owners wanting the features of the 1ds3,,,build, focus, weather sealing, AF, grip, the list goes on.
God forbid people actually care about using the same 4 year old AF system in a body Canon marketed as "Evolution"....that's certainly not something to complain about. I wouldn't consider that whining...it's a legitimate gripe. No one was expecting 1-series features but a solid overall update would have been nice.
ward1066 wrote:
only whining I have heard is 5DII owners wanting the features of the 1ds3,,,build, focus, weather sealing, AF, grip, the list goes on.
.....and all for the same price of the 5DII
M Vers wrote:
God forbid people actually care about using the same 4 year old AF system in a body Canon marketed as "Evolution"....that's certainly not something to complain about. I wouldn't consider that whining...it's a legitimate gripe. No one was expecting 1-series features but a solid overall update would have been nice.
To most people the 5DII is just that - a solid overall update.
shirozina wrote:
To most people the 5DII is just that - a solid overall update.
In the real world, its not. Overall means just that...overall as in by and large, which happens to include AF since it is a major component of a DSLR. 'Tweaks' aside, Canon has done what its good at--to cut corners and preserve the class gap (which are miles apart). Point is the majority of people out there feel there should have been an AF update...I'm not talking 1-series AF, but at least noticeably improved (not 'it seems like...') outer point performance (since it was one of the largest qualms with the original) and maybe some additional frame coverage to place the 5DII between the xxD and 1-Series bodies. If there are those out there content with stagnancy that's fine--but there is also a very good percentage that feel Canon did them dirty. That's all. To call that "whining" is rather ignorant.
M Vers wrote:
In the real world, its not. Overall means just that...overall as in by and large, which happens to include AF since it is a major component of a DSLR. 'Tweaks' aside, Canon has done what its good at--to cut corners and preserve the class gap (which are miles apart). Point is the majority of people out there feel there should have been an AF update...I'm not talking 1-series AF, but at least noticeably improved (not 'it seems like...') outer point performance (since it was one of the largest qualms with the original) and maybe some additional frame coverage to place the 5DII between the xxD and 1-Series bodies. If there are those out there content with stagnancy that's fine--but there is also a very good percentage that feel Canon did them dirty. That's all. To call that "whining" is rather ignorant....Show more →
Have you actually used the camera? The 5D Mk II has a much faster AF than the Mk I thanks to its Digic IV processor. The IQ of the 5D Mk II is already comparable to 1Ds Mk III and in fact better at high ISO. Well ok it is not weather sealed and it is 1fps slower (still frak loads better than the D3X's 1.8fps at 14bits). The class gap is cutting pretty thin right about now...
That is before you even consider the price. Or video (which is brilliant to some).
Jonathan Wong wrote:
Have you actually used the camera? The 5D Mk II has a much faster AF than the Mk I thanks to its Digic IV processor. The IQ of the 5D Mk II is already comparable to 1Ds Mk III and in fact better at high ISO. Well ok it is not weather sealed and it is 1fps slower (still frak loads better than the D3X's 1.8fps at 14bits). The class gap is cutting pretty thin right about now...
That is before you even consider the price. Or video (which is brilliant to some).
Yes, I have actually used the MKII and while not extensively I don't think there is enough of an improvement when it comes to AF--specifically the peripheral points in lower light where I noticed no difference between it and the MKI. As for IQ/ISO performance I have absolutely no issue in that department as I stated earlier. My only qualm is AF. You may also want to take a gander at this.
Jonathan Wong wrote:
Have you actually used the camera? ... The IQ of the 5D Mk II is already comparable to 1Ds Mk III and in fact better at high ISO. Well ok it is not weather sealed and it is 1fps slower (still frak loads better than the D3X's 1.8fps at 14bits). The class gap is cutting pretty thin right about now...
Have you actually used a 1Ds3
There is still a world of difference between the 5D2 and 1Ds3 IMO. And that is not limited to just built quality, handling, weathersealing, metering, customizable features, FPS or AF. The RAW files are much richer (in colors) and deeper (shadow detail) and will therefore give you more headroom in PP. The only thing they really share is a 21MP sensor... People are getting too choked up on resolution numbers these days...
M Vers wrote:
Yes, I have actually used the MKII and while not extensively I don't think there is enough of an improvement when it comes to AF--specifically the peripheral points in lower light where I noticed no difference between it and the MKI. As for IQ/ISO performance I have absolutely no issue in that department as I stated earlier. My only qualm is AF. You may also want to take a gander at this.
I suppose that is a rather subjective matter. Personally I (and I know you and a lot of photographers too) would pay an extra $500 (or trade video) for a better AF system but at the current price point I can't complain. But equally there would be another camp of photographers who would deem the move and overkill and place the camera above their budget.
While IQ with high ISO performance at outstanding resolution numbers and affordability have always been 5D's advantages, those features have all been maintained and expanded in the new model.
Objectively the 5D Mk II isn't a bad camera at all. And bang for buck it really gives any camera a run for its money. It is not necessarily what you are looking for does not imply the camera is inherently a bad design.
M Vers wrote:
In the real world, its not. Overall means just that...overall as in by and large, which happens to include AF since it is a major component of a DSLR. 'Tweaks' aside, Canon has done what its good at--to cut corners and preserve the class gap (which are miles apart). Point is the majority of people out there feel there should have been an AF update...I'm not talking 1-series AF, but at least noticeably improved (not 'it seems like...') outer point performance (since it was one of the largest qualms with the original) and maybe some additional frame coverage to place the 5DII between the xxD and 1-Series bodies. If there are those out there content with stagnancy that's fine--but there is also a very good percentage that feel Canon did them dirty. That's all. To call that "whining" is rather ignorant....Show more → I see you have edited your post to retract the statement that you though the only qualm was the lack of significant AF improvement. Maybe there is some transatlantic misunderstanding but 'overall' means a situation when you take all factors into account and average them out - not that every factor has to be inline. Thus even if the AF was not a significant improvement the rest of the updates are enough to rate the camera as a worthwhile update. People will always whine and whinge when they don't get what they want and it's not ignorant to point that out IMO. Also I'm not aware of this 'good percentage' of people who feel 'done dirty' by Canon - there are a few voices out there to be sure and what product ever has universal praise - but most people have realistic expectations.
There is still a world of difference between the 5D2 and 1Ds3 IMO. And that is not limited to just built quality, handling, weathersealing, metering, customizable features, FPS or AF. The RAW files are much richer (in colors) and deeper (shadow detail) and will therefore give you more headroom in PP. The only thing they really share is a 21MP sensor... People are getting too choked up on resolution numbers these days...
At low ISO settings 1Ds Mk III has the advantage in IQ, no questions asked. However at high ISO settings the 5D Mk II overtakes the 1Ds III. Granted it lacks some of the pro features that people lust after. But to those who keep emphasising the differences, does the difference worth the price of another 5D Mk II and more? If so then you really should be looking at and budgeting for the 1Ds Mk III; if not then the 5D Mk II clearly has better bang for buck for you than the 1Ds Mk III and you should be glad that it is. People are getting too choked up on the assumption that those who disagree with them are ignorant and ill informed... :P
OK before we anyone asks that was all tongue in cheek. The problem IMHO is that we are looking for a 5D 1Ds hybrid to various degrees but we got a 5D II. I honestly don't think it is a bad camera. Great value for money. Just not necessarily exactly what we are looking for.
Jonathan Wong wrote:
At low ISO settings 1Ds Mk III has the advantage in IQ, no questions asked. However at high ISO settings the 5D Mk II overtakes the 1Ds III. Granted it lacks some of the pro features that people lust after. But to those who keep emphasising the differences, does the difference worth the price of another 5D Mk II and more? If so then you really should be looking at and budgeting for the 1Ds Mk III; if not then the 5D Mk II clearly has better bang for buck for you than the 1Ds Mk III and you should be glad that it is. People are getting too choked up on the assumptions that those who disagree with them are ignorant and ill informed... :P...Show more →
The 5D2 does not "overtake" the 1Ds3 when it comes to high ISO noise performance. They are pretty equal.
My question remais unanswered: did you ever use a 1Ds3
