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p.21 #15D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
I think I remember Richard proposed exactly this fix in one of his countless posts about 1ds3 noise, probably a couple of months ago. It sure looks grainy like this but when you print it at a reasonable size you wouldnt see no stripes nor stars, thus the image is not ruined, which is the point where I did not agree with his posts.
Feb 16, 2009 at 02:26 PM
p.21 #25D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
M Vers wrote:
What he is saying is that he cannot imagine any other Canon body doing any better when pushing exposure in PP--And until I see a side by side between the 1DsIII and the 5DII of the same exact shot using the same settings and under the same conditions I'd have to agree. All this crap about 'it looks worse than when I had a 1DsIII' is garbage...lets see some side by sides using multiple samples to make legitimate comparisons. Regardless, if the $2700 5DII under performs the $6500 1DsIII when it comes to shadow noise its not going to...Show more →
Hmmm, when you have used/owned both cams you know it is not garbage... But I agree, to put an end to this once and for all, we need a direct comparison made under the exact same conditions.
If this all is relevant for you is a different matter... Not everybody has a need to push exposure by 2 stops or open up shadows by a large amount. However, the shadow noise (when opened up in PP) is visible in prints.
What he is saying is that he cannot imagine any other Canon body doing any better when pushing exposure in PP--And until I see a side by side between the 1DsIII and the 5DII of the same exact shot using the same settings and under the same conditions I'd have to agree. All this crap about 'it looks worse than when I had a 1DsIII' is garbage...lets see some side by sides using multiple samples to make legitimate comparisons. Regardless, if the $2700 5DII under performs the $6500 1DsIII when it comes to shadow noise its not going to...Show more →
Hmmm, when you have used/owned both cams you know it is not garbage... But I agree, to put an end to this once and for all, we need a direct comparison made under the exact same conditions.
If this all is relevant for you is a different matter... Not everybody has a need to push exposure by 2 stops or open up shadows by a large amount. However, the shadow noise (when opened up in PP) is visible in prints.
Feb 16, 2009 at 02:28 PM
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p.21 #35D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
M Vers wrote:
What he is saying is that he cannot imagine any other Canon body doing any better when pushing exposure in PP--And until I see a side by side between the 1DsIII and the 5DII of the same exact shot using the same settings and under the same conditions I'd have to agree. All this crap about 'it looks worse than when I had a 1DsIII' is garbage...lets see some side by sides using multiple samples to make legitimate comparisons. Regardless, if the $2700 5DII under performs the $6500 1DsIII when it comes to shadow noise its not going to...Show more →
I appoint you to be my official translator
cineski wrote
Andi, I'm not sure I understand your post. Is that second shot your version of Brainiac's shot? The noise is horrible in both, but worse in yours.I appoint you to be my official translator
Feb 16, 2009 at 02:28 PM
p.21 #45D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
Daan B wrote:
However, the shadow noise (when opened up in PP) is visible in prints.
As it would be with ANY camera. That's the point--the difference between the 1DsIII and 5DII is completely irrelevant when pushing 2 stops, which you shouldn't have to do in the first place...isn't that what bracketing is for
One may look slightly better than the other, but they will both look bad. Canon claims the 5DII has the best IQ of any one of their bodies to date...maybe they meant when NOT having to push exposure all over the damn place. Is it possible they meant: Take a properly exposed picture and then you will have the best IQ? In the end all the dancing and shouting means absolutely nothing until proper tests are done--until then it's all a bunch of noise. Show me some proof already.
However, the shadow noise (when opened up in PP) is visible in prints.
As it would be with ANY camera. That's the point--the difference between the 1DsIII and 5DII is completely irrelevant when pushing 2 stops, which you shouldn't have to do in the first place...isn't that what bracketing is for
One may look slightly better than the other, but they will both look bad. Canon claims the 5DII has the best IQ of any one of their bodies to date...maybe they meant when NOT having to push exposure all over the damn place. Is it possible they meant: Take a properly exposed picture and then you will have the best IQ? In the end all the dancing and shouting means absolutely nothing until proper tests are done--until then it's all a bunch of noise. Show me some proof already.Feb 16, 2009 at 05:37 PM
p.21 #55D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
Andi Dietrich wrote:
I appoint you to be my official translator
I didn't think you needed it, but I figured I'd spare you the frustration
I appoint you to be my official translator
I didn't think you needed it, but I figured I'd spare you the frustration
Feb 16, 2009 at 05:42 PM
p.21 #65D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
I just came across this interesting article on digilloyd that everyone should read.
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/free/PushingTheBlacks/index.html
Interesting quote:
A striking difference in noise is evident in the very dark areas: the 5D Mark II is noisy even at ISO 50. Wedding photographers take note: noise is not an issue in a bride’s white gown, but a groom’s black tuxedo will be much easier to manage with the D3x.
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/free/PushingTheBlacks/index.html
Interesting quote:
A striking difference in noise is evident in the very dark areas: the 5D Mark II is noisy even at ISO 50. Wedding photographers take note: noise is not an issue in a bride’s white gown, but a groom’s black tuxedo will be much easier to manage with the D3x.
Feb 16, 2009 at 06:18 PM
p.21 #75D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
maverick666 wrote:
Rebel with video.
Such a ridiculous statement.
Rebel with video.
Such a ridiculous statement.
Feb 17, 2009 at 12:56 AM
p.21 #85D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
M Vers wrote:
As it would be with ANY camera.
Yes, but in different amounts... That is the whole point
Daan B wrote
However, the shadow noise (when opened up in PP) is visible in prints.Yes, but in different amounts... That is the whole point
Feb 17, 2009 at 01:24 AM
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p.21 #95D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
Pixel Perfect wrote:
I just came across this interesting article on digilloyd that everyone should read.
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/free/PushingTheBlacks/index.html
Interesting quote:
The Sony/Nikon sensor seems to have the edge over Canon right now, I guess nobody can disagree with that, but then how did all these wed photogs work before?
I do not advocate to buy Canon, I just dont see a hudge difference between the 1ds and the 5d
Stanj put up some samples which demonstrate that the two cameras are closer than some people make us believe here.
http://www.andidietrich.com/elements/fm3/U-2.jpg
http://www.andidietrich.com/elements/fm3/U-3.jpg
This just doesnt make me believe that the 5Dii is crap while the 1dsiii is the camera for heros. I would rate them both as prosumer bodies
I just came across this interesting article on digilloyd that everyone should read.
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/free/PushingTheBlacks/index.html
Interesting quote:
Earlier quote
A striking difference in noise is evident in the very dark areas: the 5D Mark II is noisy even at ISO 50. Wedding photographers take note: noise is not an issue in a bride’s white gown, but a groom’s black tuxedo will be much easier to manage with the D3x.The Sony/Nikon sensor seems to have the edge over Canon right now, I guess nobody can disagree with that, but then how did all these wed photogs work before?
I do not advocate to buy Canon, I just dont see a hudge difference between the 1ds and the 5d
Stanj put up some samples which demonstrate that the two cameras are closer than some people make us believe here.
http://www.andidietrich.com/elements/fm3/U-2.jpg
http://www.andidietrich.com/elements/fm3/U-3.jpg
This just doesnt make me believe that the 5Dii is crap while the 1dsiii is the camera for heros. I would rate them both as prosumer bodies
Feb 17, 2009 at 04:29 AM
p.21 #105D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
Andi Dietrich wrote:
This just doesnt make me believe that the 5Dii is crap while the 1dsiii is the camera for heros. I would rate them both as prosumer bodies
If the 1Ds3 is a 'prosumer body', what would you classify as a pro model?
And how much would you expect to pay for such a camera, $8000 not enough?
This just doesnt make me believe that the 5Dii is crap while the 1dsiii is the camera for heros. I would rate them both as prosumer bodies
If the 1Ds3 is a 'prosumer body', what would you classify as a pro model?
And how much would you expect to pay for such a camera, $8000 not enough?
Feb 17, 2009 at 04:46 AM
p.21 #115D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
You can't call the 1DsIII 'prosumer' - you pay the extra for the feature like extra shooting capacity, better AF, durability and tighter tollerances. If these are side by side 5DII and 1DsIII images shot and processed the same we can put this argument to bed at last ( maybe
Feb 17, 2009 at 04:48 AM
p.21 #125D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
Andi Dietrich wrote:
I do not advocate to buy Canon, I just dont see a hudge difference between the 1ds and the 5d
Stanj put up some samples which demonstrate that the two cameras are closer than some people make us believe here.
This makes me believe there are 5D2's out there that are worse than others... At least that is what I have experienced myself.
Maybe it is better to concentrate on comparing different 5D2's to each other (maybe by using different RAW converters as well), instead of 1Ds3's to 5D2's at this moment.
I do not advocate to buy Canon, I just dont see a hudge difference between the 1ds and the 5d
Stanj put up some samples which demonstrate that the two cameras are closer than some people make us believe here.
This makes me believe there are 5D2's out there that are worse than others... At least that is what I have experienced myself.
Maybe it is better to concentrate on comparing different 5D2's to each other (maybe by using different RAW converters as well), instead of 1Ds3's to 5D2's at this moment.
Feb 17, 2009 at 06:03 AM
p.21 #135D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
I was thinking of picking up a 5D2, perhaps instead of my 5D and 1D2N, which don't get out much now, but with the recent price increases and all these problems I don't think I'll bother.
David
David
Feb 17, 2009 at 06:07 AM
p.21 #145D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
dhphoto wrote:
I was thinking of picking up a 5D2, perhaps instead of my 5D and 1D2N, which don't get out much now, but with the recent price increases and all these problems I don't think I'll bother.
David
Stick to what works
I was thinking of picking up a 5D2, perhaps instead of my 5D and 1D2N, which don't get out much now, but with the recent price increases and all these problems I don't think I'll bother.
David
Stick to what works
Feb 17, 2009 at 06:08 AM
p.21 #155D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
Daan B wrote:
DavidStick to what works
Honestly, after what happened with the launch of the 1D3, I'm surprised at all the issues with the 5D2. Seems like a good camera, but the quality control seems terrible (even if amplified by the web)
Being delievered with bits missing and falling off just isn't good enough
dhphoto wrote
I was thinking of picking up a 5D2, perhaps instead of my 5D and 1D2N, which don't get out much now, but with the recent price increases and all these problems I don't think I'll bother.David
Honestly, after what happened with the launch of the 1D3, I'm surprised at all the issues with the 5D2. Seems like a good camera, but the quality control seems terrible (even if amplified by the web)
Being delievered with bits missing and falling off just isn't good enough
Feb 17, 2009 at 06:10 AM
p.21 #165D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
Lower QC and/or looser tollerances in the sensor and it's electronics may go hand in hand at 'prosumer' level? Both the 20D and the 5D all had problems with shadow noise whe they were launched - amplified by forum noise
Feb 17, 2009 at 06:29 AM
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p.21 #175D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
I come to think that some people would be disappointed by Canon when they could not go through several copies
I dont see where the line between the 1ds and the 5d is. I believe photographers over the world made more money with the 5d than with the 1ds, so why should there be a difference. The 1ds has maybe more features but so does the 350d.
We live in a time where amateurs buy pro gear because they think it is good for the reputation, for better quality, for their carma or whatever and pros shoot with a 10mp camera because they know their client is satisfied.
Come on guys, just admit that you regret having paid 8K for an outdated body
I dont see where the line between the 1ds and the 5d is. I believe photographers over the world made more money with the 5d than with the 1ds, so why should there be a difference. The 1ds has maybe more features but so does the 350d.
We live in a time where amateurs buy pro gear because they think it is good for the reputation, for better quality, for their carma or whatever and pros shoot with a 10mp camera because they know their client is satisfied.
Come on guys, just admit that you regret having paid 8K for an outdated body
Feb 17, 2009 at 10:04 AM
p.21 #185D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
Andi Dietrich wrote:
I would rate them both [1DsM3 and 5D2] as prosumer bodies
Thanks for providing such a great example of the meaning of the term "hyperbole." I may use that in class today...
I would rate them both [1DsM3 and 5D2] as prosumer bodies
Thanks for providing such a great example of the meaning of the term "hyperbole." I may use that in class today...
Feb 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM
p.21 #195D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
Daan B wrote:
As it would be with ANY camera.Yes, but in different amounts... That is the whole point
Show me...
M Vers wrote
Daan B wrote
However, the shadow noise (when opened up in PP) is visible in prints.Show me...
Feb 17, 2009 at 10:35 AM
p.21 #205D2 low ISO poor v 1Ds3
dhphoto wrote:
DavidStick to what works Honestly, after what happened with the launch of the 1D3, I'm surprised at all the issues with the 5D2. Seems like a good camera, but the quality control seems terrible (even if amplified by the web)
Being delievered with bits missing and falling off just isn't good enough
I can count on my hands how many people I have seen post significant negative experiences with the 5D2. Trust me, I am not one to cheer Canon as I was one of those 1D3 early adopters. All I know, we bought 4 5D2's at the beginning of Dec and have had fantastic results so far.
As you mentioned...and as with all things..when people have problems they tend to post about them. Those that don't are out shooting typically.
I have a grip coming in for my 5D2 Thursday... Hopefully, I am not cussing the camera after the weekend.
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dhphoto wrote
I was thinking of picking up a 5D2, perhaps instead of my 5D and 1D2N, which don't get out much now, but with the recent price increases and all these problems I don't think I'll bother.David
Being delievered with bits missing and falling off just isn't good enough
I can count on my hands how many people I have seen post significant negative experiences with the 5D2. Trust me, I am not one to cheer Canon as I was one of those 1D3 early adopters. All I know, we bought 4 5D2's at the beginning of Dec and have had fantastic results so far.
As you mentioned...and as with all things..when people have problems they tend to post about them. Those that don't are out shooting typically.
I have a grip coming in for my 5D2 Thursday... Hopefully, I am not cussing the camera after the weekend.
Feb 17, 2009 at 07:03 PM