eosfun wrote:
You see, that's the way it works. You criticized the camera for it's specs and still you want one yesterday. Take the boat to Denmark, count your crowns, have a and lots of EOSfun!
Hmm, I think this is the fourth time (in this thread) im stating this:
It is possible to like something, WITHOUT being religiously blind to weak sides of this something
I have said several times that I'm going to get one, but that doesen't stop me from critizizing stuff I dislike. I don't think I have purchased _anything_ (other than my rokkor 58 1.2) that is perfect, photographic or not
Radiohead wrote:
I think the new 5D will have shatteringly good IQ overall. Canons always do.
Have you looked at the downloadable jpegs? They look to me to have a ton of detail. I had the opposite reaction to the available a900 pics - (where's the detail?)
But I think a minority of people photogs will prefer the old 5D. Someone referred to the newer Canons as "hyper real". I see that in the 5DII pics.
Radiohead wrote:
I think the new 5D will have shatteringly good IQ overall. Canons always do.
Have you looked at the downloadable jpegs? They look to me to have a ton of detail. I had the opposite reaction to the available a900 pics - (where's the detail?)
But I think a minority of people photogs will prefer the old 5D. Someone referred to the newer Canons as "hyper real". I see that in the 5DII pics.
digitalbug30d wrote:
cant you use the new 50d for sports? it would seem to work well enough with the right lenses and a real ability of the person clicking the shutter
The 50D is essentially the same as the 40D, and I found for my type of shooting , (birds in flight) , that the 5D gave a much greater percentage of sharp images. You can also see Rob Galbraith's comments re: the 40D as well.
Hmm, I think this is the fourth time (in this thread) im stating this: It is possible to like something, WITHOUT being religiously blind to weak sides of this something
You don't have to defend yourselves. You just proved Canon did their marketing right. EOSfun is never about absolute blind religiously EOSfan-atism. The real EOSfun is aware of the limits of the EOS. Just be careful by criticizing the product you are going to buy to not shit your own nest full of crap. A good help could be to think of your wife reading your post. Don't make it like reading that she is gonna confront you with the question: is it wise to spend our money on that camera / lens / xxx now that you have so much reservations
My opinion is that just about every complaint I've seen about this camera today from fellow wedding photographers is that the AF is a problem for them. Addressing that would have removed 99% of those complaints at a stroke. As it is they remain.
How were these ever made with such a faulty AF module?:
I don't think the AF is the issue with the 5D Mark I. I shoot candid event photography in a lot of low light situations with the 5D, and the AF is mostly fine. The issue is the overal "sluggish" feel of the 5D compared to other pro cameras. And it's not really a framerate issue; it's due to the longish shutter lag and long mirror blackout time.
I too would have preferred a 5D Mark II with less resolution (12-16Mp), killer high ISO, and shooting responsiveness more par with that of the 50D (actually, a digital version of the EOS-3 or 1V). But, that's just my personal bias... and many wedding shooters I know who came from Hasselblads think the 5D is quite responsive in comparison.
So, for lots of folks, 21Mp resolution at less than $3K will be a huge win (assuming there is not something horribly amiss). No matter what you think of the original 5D, it remains to this day one of the best cameras ever built on an IQ basis... Let's hope that the 5DII is a worthy successor in this regard.
eosfun wrote:
You don't have to defend yourselves. You just proved Canon did their marketing right. EOSfun is never about absolute blind religiously EOSfan-atism. The real EOSfun is aware of the limits of the EOS. Just be careful by criticizing the product you are going to buy to not shit your own nest full of crap. A good help could be to think of your wife reading your post. Don't make it like reading that she is gonna confront you with the question: is it wise to spend our money on that camera / lens / xxx now that you have so much reservations ...Show more →
That explains a lot We now understand why you complain about EOSfutilities. We forgive you little troll from Norway Don't smile again if you say that, or it must be because of the EOSfun you have
Ok, these are the specs from DPreview.. & they have me very confused all off a sudden.. and now, I am worried...and mad....very mad! This better be a misunderstanding or I am buying Nikon equipment!
Someone please straiten out my confusion!
5DMkII:
• 9-point TTL CMOS sensor
• 6 "Invisible Assist AF points"
• Centre point cross type F5.6 or faster
• Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
• AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)
5D:
• 9-point TTL
• 6 "Invisible Assist AF points" *
• CMOS sensor
• AF working range: -0.5 to 18 EV (at 20°C, ISO 100) *
50D:
• 9-point TTL CMOS sensor
• All points cross-type for lenses of F5.6 or faster
• Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
• AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)
It will be interesting to see what the 5DII will offer to address two often-lamented problems with the 5DI - dim VF info illumination outdoors, and dust easily getting into the viewfinder. The sensor can (easily) be cleaned, but getting the dust out of the VF is tricky. I also haven't heard anything about MLU being made a selectable function of the direct print button.
Jeffrey Biggs wrote:
While I am neither the most experienced nor the most well informed photographer on this forum, I am a working photographer with 18 years of shooting experience. Most of the negative comments from users on this forum are coming from people who have a fundamental misunderstanding of the position this camera occupies in the market. People cry "no pro auto focus" they whine "3.9 fps is just too slow" and "not enough weather sealing" when the reality is it is not now nor will it ever be a high end Pro camera body. People seem to expect canon, and Nikon for that matter to give them the full fat Pro body experience without shelling out the clams for a Pro level body. It has all of the qualities in spec. to be one of the finest imaging tools ever produced, hopefully when we get our hands on it this will prove to be the case. My personal opinion is that the 5D produces some the finest digital images in the world and I expect the 5D MkII to continue that. However, if you want a workhorse to shoot 300 to 1000 images a day in difficult conditions including fog, rain, dust, crowds with poor light and generally bad shooting conditions you should be shooting and paying for the abilities of Nikon D3 series or Canon 1 series bodies. If you just want to make beautiful images a 5D is probably going to be the best consumer camera ever made....Show more →
You are taking the extreme view - why can their be no middle ground? Who has demanded a 1 series camera for $2700, who has demanded that they want to shoot 1000 shots a day in pouring rain, no one. All people are asking for is for a better AF system than is currently offered, it does not have to be 1 series AF at all, but they can do better than what's available. People would have gladly given up features like video, and insanely high ISOs, and 4-5MP for better AF, a bit more speed, 5fps isn't exactly earth shattering, 1/250 X-sync. I'm still buying a 5D II as I do a lot of landscape work, but with such a high pixel density, this would actually make a very nice wildlife camera but I know the AF leaves a lot to be desired and it won't be up to scratch in many situations. Sure when the action nice and steady it'll be perfectly fine and I'll have my 1D II along side for the extreme action, but still would have been nice to see a bit more effort put into the AF.
So again I ask you why we can't have a middle of the road AF system, I don't care so much about the sealing as it's been improved anyway and I don't expect to shoot insane amounts of shots in harsh conditions - hell I don't even do that with my 1D II. I never expected Canon to follow Nikon's lead and add pro AF, but what they currently have is at odds with the rest of the cameras specs and not worthy of such a fine camera.
brainiac wrote:
I quite often shoot my 1Ds3 in sRaw mode (~5 megapixels). Some people around here seem to think that's odd, but you don't always want or need to use your camera at its utmost resolution. For instance, shooting a 24-70 at f2.8 for low light or depth of field would allow you to switch down to a lower rez, since the lens isn't sharp enough at that aperture to use all the pixels. The same can be true at f22, or at high isos. Sometimes the pictures are just a bit of eosfun, and a lower resolution is adequate and efficient....Show more →
tell me about sRAW - are the images softer in anyway? Is it the same as if I had just downsampled the full RAW file in LR say?
The 5Dll only has a 150,000 cycles on the shutter, how bad is that? I don't think it will even make it around Disney world never mind sea world. It might make a good backup camera for the 1dslll for another six months, before I sell it at a phenomenal profit of $4500.
and lots of EOSfun! 
