Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yes, on my 5D at least, there was practically no feedback or feel difference between a half press and actually releasing the shutter.
That's what I thought you were saying.
I have a question for you. Are your fingers large, medium , or small?
That may seem to be an odd question, but the amount of finger pressing on the body around the switch could be a factor. I have small fingers, and so most of the tip is on the button. I find the button to work well for me. My old Leica M5 felt about the same way.
But if your finger is also pressed strongly on the body, the button may feel strange, as you may need to press harder to do what you have to. That could result in the shutter feeling more mushy for you than it does for me.
Of course, if you now say that you have small fingers as I do, then this entire theory goes down the drain.
I actually prefer my 5D shutter over the 20D, maybe I just have a sensitive finger, but I have never had a problem with half pressing vs full pressing the button. I find it's more sensitive and pleasant to shoot with.. so if it turns out the 5D II has the same shutter, I'll be happy
Mel Gross wrote:
That's what I thought you were saying.
I have a question for you. Are your fingers large, medium , or small?
That may seem to be an odd question, but the amount of finger pressing on the body around the switch could be a factor. I have small fingers, and so most of the tip is on the button. I find the button to work well for me. My old Leica M5 felt about the same way.
But if your finger is also pressed strongly on the body, the button may feel strange, as you may need to press harder to do what you have to. That could result in the shutter feeling more mushy for you than it does for me.
Of course, if you now say that you have small fingers as I do, then this entire theory goes down the drain....Show more →
My fingers are medium to large. I don't think that would be the issue though after using the camera for so long, and often of shoots of 500 or more shots at a time. All that to say that I have never had an issue adjusting to any camera in the past and I used the 5D extensively. I also used the battery grip which greatly aided with a secure, solid and non strained hold. It is possible that my shutter button was defective I suppose. The poor feel of the shutter button action was in fact the first thing I noticed when I first received my 5D. Hearing others bring it up makes me wonder now though.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
No other camera in my thirty year history of shooting was this poor including Nikons, other Canons, Olympus, Pentax, Minolta, Hasselblad, Mamiya, Rollei you name it. If my experience is the norm for the 5D, then it should have been fixed for the 5DII or does Canon think a shutter button with good user feedback is something reserved for the 1 series only?
I got my Mamiya RZ cameras right here, and they have a much more mushy release. Actually, the only camera I've had that was sufficiently more crisp enough to make a real difference were my F1 cameras. Now, those had a click.
I've never had a problem with a half-press on any EOS camera, though. I'm not feeling any difference between the MkI and the MkII, and I feel a significant point of half-press.
With regard to shutter sound, the difference I detect is that the shutter wind is lower pitched on MkII than any of the other consumer Canons.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
My fingers are medium to large. I don't think that would be the issue though after using the camera for so long, and often of shoots of 500 or more shots at a time. All that to say that I have never had an issue adjusting to any camera in the past and I used the 5D extensively. I also used the battery grip which greatly aided with a secure, solid and non strained hold. It is possible that my shutter button was defective I suppose. The poor feel of the shutter button action was in fact the first thing I noticed when I first received my 5D. Hearing others bring it up makes me wonder now though. ...Show more →
You'd be surprised on how finger size can make a difference on a soft shutter.
I've been using my 5D II for a few days now, and I really, really don't like the sound of the shutter, especially compared to my original 5D. To my ears it sounds like it's going to break!
WilliamG wrote:
I've been using my 5D II for a few days now, and I really, really don't like the sound of the shutter, especially compared to my original 5D. To my ears it sounds like it's going to break!
Unless you got a bad one, I wouldn't worry about it breaking until you got past 140,000 releases.
I have always like the shutter release on my Lieca M2, Also on my 4X5 folder from 1912 with a Wollensak lens from 1908. Now to get digital into my M2 and that back for my 4X5. All for a shutter, . . . nah
I do find it a little discouraging to read about the way the shutter sounds. it doesn't instill confidence.
RDKirk wrote:
I got my Mamiya RZ cameras right here, and they have a much more mushy release. Actually, the only camera I've had that was sufficiently more crisp enough to make a real difference were my F1 cameras. Now, those had a click.
I've never had a problem with a half-press on any EOS camera, though. I'm not feeling any difference between the MkI and the MkII, and I feel a significant point of half-press.
With regard to shutter sound, the difference I detect is that the shutter wind is lower pitched on MkII than any of the other consumer Canons.
I have to believe then that I had a defective shutter button on my 5D.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I have to believe then that I had a defective shutter button on my 5D.
That could certainly be. My 1DII has a "hair trigger" vertical release, much harder to half press than the main release. Not so my original 1D or 1DIII. Quite a few people complained about the vertical release on the 1DII, but others had no problem. I don't know if Canon made a running change on those cameras or it was just sample variation, but it sounds as if your particular 5D is not like the average samples, and that's not hard to believe.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Do you notice any difference in the feel of the shutter button between these three cameras?
i've tried 10D,20D,40D,50D,1DMkII,1DMkIIn,5DMkII and the 5DMkII is the odd man out when it comes to shutter feel.
not the end of the world by any means, basically a whatever, but I DO prefer the other buttons, particually for AI Servo since it's hard to feel whether you have it down enough and then you can end up pushing it too far down and it feels unsettling compared to the others, but again, mostly a nitpick.
skibum5 wrote:
but that shouldn't alter RAW data though....
Is it actually afffecting the RAW, or is DPP presenting that in the intitial processing?
I'm running some additional tests--this might actually be an interaction of both Auto Lighting Optimizing and Highlight Tone Priority. HTP was present in the 1Ds2, though, and there weren't any reports of this problem.
I can see that if both of these are on, you get the problem. Turn them off and you don't get the problem.
Both my 5D and 5D2 have identical hard half-press points. Quite hard half-press points. My Mamiya RZ is hair-triggered mush. I wear a large to extra-large glove, size 12 ring.
Nowhere Man wrote:
personally i'd like to see a hack for the 5D Mark II that bumps up the max sync to 250 and increases the frame rate.
this guy wants to see some other hacks and started a fund. http://canonhack.com/?p=6
My wish list would be really short: AF at F8, so that we could have AF with the 100-400 + 1.4x and AF with the 500F4 +2x.
Unfortunately, there is one big reason why the linked fund will fail. Copyright. The Canon firmware is copyrighted under U.S. and most other countries laws. To modify the firmware for money would be illegal, as the guy who modified the original Digital Rebel firmware learned. He then gave it away. That was a nice hack, as it turned on most of the 10D features that had been disabled by Canon--at least those that did not require specific hardware capabilities. FEC, MLU, and a couple others come to mind. Point is, though, he couldn't sell the hack.
