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p.228 #1 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Max sync and frame rate are based in hardware limitations. It may be possible to drive the hardware faster, but I'd suspect it would toss MTBF into the toilet bowl.

The same thing is true of the AF limitations--they are ruled by TANSTAAFL. Autofocusing in the Canon consumer cameras is simply turned off by software when the mounted lens reports that its maximum aperture is f/8. It should certainly be possible to hack the firmware to remove that switch-off command.

However, we already know what the result would be. When a Canon teleconverter is attached to a lens, the teleconverter factors the resulting maximum aperture as it and the lens are mounted to the camera, so that if the resulting maximum aperture is f/8 or smaller, it's reported to the camera as such and the camera switches off autofocusing.

But certain 3rd party teleconverters do not factor in their own effect--they merely pass on the maxium aperture report of the lens and the camera will continue to attempt to autofocus. The result is very slow focusing with a very high rate of failures--a worse performance than even Canon would be willing to call "within specifications."

In the case of the DRebel firmware hack--which I installed on my own camera, BTW--Canon had merely taken the 10D firmware and turned certain features off. The code was already there, so it was a comparatively simple hack to turn them back on.




Dec 08, 2008 at 01:08 PM
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p.228 #2 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Nowhere Man wrote:
personally i'd like to see a hack for the 5D Mark II that bumps up the max sync to 250 and increases the frame rate.

this guy wants to see some other hacks and started a fund.
http://canonhack.com/?p=6



These aren't software limitations, but hardware limitations.

No hack is going to be able to change them.



Dec 08, 2008 at 01:53 PM
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p.228 #3 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


I got mine today can't wait to check it out.. I also picked up this sweet lens i figure it will go good with the camera

http://i38./vgog74.jpg



Dec 08, 2008 at 02:05 PM
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p.228 #4 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


bocaj wrote:
I got mine today can't wait to check it out.. I also picked up this sweet lens i figure it will go good with the camera



That lens on that body? Why?



Dec 08, 2008 at 02:17 PM
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p.228 #5 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Shhh don't ruin my secret weapon... its a lens i got for $50.00 from a garage sale...... best investment everrrrrrrrrr


Dec 08, 2008 at 02:19 PM
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Mel Gross wrote:
That lens on that body? Why?


Indeed. Why oh why? The quantaray has to be a very low-res lens .... sort of like putting cheap wheels on your Ferrari.



Dec 08, 2008 at 02:21 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
Indeed. Why oh why? The quantaray has to be a very low-res lens .... sort of like putting cheap wheels on your Ferrari.


From his reply it's like why I bought a Tamron 19 to 35 zoom for my old 5D for $30 before I saved the money to get the 16-35 II from Canon.

At least I could take the pictures.



Dec 08, 2008 at 02:24 PM
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p.228 #8 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


cheap steering wheel you mean


Dec 08, 2008 at 02:25 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
Indeed. Why oh why? The quantaray has to be a very low-res lens .... sort of like putting cheap wheels on your Ferrari.


Actually that happened to me

I got a really nice BMW but when the time came to buy new tires for it I almost cried at the cash a I had to fork over for the uw high performance tires.

But once I started driving with the new tires forgot all about the cash.



Dec 08, 2008 at 02:32 PM
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p.228 #10 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


One day I will have a BMW.....and I will take pictures of it with my soon-to-be-owned 5dII....with cheap tires.


Dec 08, 2008 at 02:48 PM
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p.228 #11 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


bocaj - 2 words - Healing Brush


Dec 08, 2008 at 02:51 PM
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p.228 #12 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Instances like these make me appreciate why Canon doesn't license the EF mount to anyone. I would've stuck to a low-end body and invest in quality fluorites before going FF.


Dec 08, 2008 at 02:52 PM
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p.228 #13 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


David Massengi wrote:
One day I will have a BMW.....and I will take pictures of it with my soon-to-be-owned 5dII....with cheap tires.


Ok, I'll bite!

How are you going to take pictures with a 5D mkII using cheap tires instead of a lens?



Dec 08, 2008 at 02:52 PM
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p.228 #14 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Paolo Dolina wrote:
Instances like these make me appreciate why Canon doesn't license the EF mount to anyone. I would've stuck to a low-end body and invest in quality fluorites before going FF.


That doesn't make much sense.

The amount you would save in the body wouldn't come to more than about $1,000. That wouldn't give you much extra to spend on the high priced lenses.



Dec 08, 2008 at 02:55 PM
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Mel Gross wrote:
Ok, I'll bite!

How are you going to take pictures with a 5D mkII using cheap tires instead of a lens?


Think REALLY big pin-hole camera.



Dec 08, 2008 at 03:19 PM
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RDKirk wrote:
Max sync and frame rate are based in hardware limitations. It may be possible to drive the hardware faster, but I'd suspect it would toss MTBF into the toilet bowl.

The same thing is true of the AF limitations--they are ruled by TANSTAAFL. Autofocusing in the Canon consumer cameras is simply turned off by software when the mounted lens reports that its maximum aperture is f/8. It should certainly be possible to hack the firmware to remove that switch-off command.

However, we already know what the result would be. When a Canon teleconverter is attached to a lens, the teleconverter factors
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I think Canon xxD autofocus is better than the firmware allows. That is, it could work in good light with an F8 or F9 maximum aperture. I have the Canon 1.4xII and 2xII converters. I also have the inexpensive Tamron 1.4x (not the "Pro" version). I have experimented with various combinations, and with taping over the extra pins in the Canon converters. Here is what I have found.

Canon 100-400 (F5.6 at 400mm). With the Tamron 1.4x, the autofocus works just fine until late in the day. That converter lacks the extra three contacts, so the camera doesn't know the converter is there. The camera still reports 400mm F5.6. With the Canon 1.4xII, the camera reports the lens as 560mm F8 and accordingly disables AF.

Canon 500mm F4. With the 2xII, the camera reports 1000mm F8 and disables AF. If I tape over the extra three pins in the extender, the camera indicates 500mm F4, but the AF just hunts, rarely getting a focus lock. I don't have a Tamron 2x.

Sigma 50-500 (F6.3 at 500mm, but the lens is designed to "lie" to the camera, that is, it reports itself as being F5.6). The Canon TCs will not fit the Sigma lens, however, the Tamron does, and--lacking the three extra electical contacts--does not report its presence to the camera. This combo, which is is 700mm F9, has no problem with AF in good light. Yes at dusk it is hopeless.

My point in all this is that Canon's lockout of AF at smaller than 5.6 is just being conservative--or maybe it is to support the 1 series cameras? I have had this same AF experience with an original digital Rebel, Rebel XT, 20D, and 40D. Don't know yet about the 5D though, as my local dealer has no information on 5D2's shipping to them. Changing the firmware switch to work up to F8 seems like the most logical and simple of hacks. But then, I'm not a programmer.



Dec 08, 2008 at 03:20 PM
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p.228 #17 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


The Canon 500mm f4 focuses well in good light with a Canon 1.4X TC and a Tamron 1.4X TC giving the equivalent of a 2X TC on both at 30D and 5D. In bad light you have a hard time getting focus lock.


Dec 08, 2008 at 03:48 PM
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p.228 #18 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


sskoutas wrote:
Think REALLY big pin-hole camera.


It's funny. As soon as I sent the post, I thought that!



Dec 08, 2008 at 03:48 PM
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p.228 #19 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


RDKirk wrote:
Is it actually afffecting the RAW, or is DPP presenting that in the intitial processing?

I'm running some additional tests--this might actually be an interaction of both Auto Lighting Optimizing and Highlight Tone Priority. HTP was present in the 1Ds2, though, and there weren't any reports of this problem.

I can see that if both of these are on, you get the problem. Turn them off and you don't get the problem.



yeah it shows up in even pre-demosaic RAW tools.



Dec 08, 2008 at 03:52 PM
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burychka wrote:
I think Canon xxD autofocus is better than the firmware allows. That is, it could work in good light with an F8 or F9 maximum aperture. I have the Canon 1.4xII and 2xII converters. I also have the inexpensive Tamron 1.4x (not the "Pro" version). I have experimented with various combinations, and with taping over the extra pins in the Canon converters. Here is what I have found.

Canon 100-400 (F5.6 at 400mm). With the Tamron 1.4x, the autofocus works just fine until late in the day. That converter lacks the extra three contacts, so the camera doesn't know the converter
...Show more


I think what happens here is that while the AF focus will work sometimes, under certain circumstances, but not others, Canon can't say that it does work, so it locks it out.

If Canon didn't, before you could say "class action suit", there would be one over the poor, unreliable AF under those circumstances. They aren't alone here in this.

Unfortunately, liability is something every company must worry about.



Dec 08, 2008 at 03:53 PM
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