Spyro P. wrote:
Man that looks stressful. I'd hate to stuff up THIS photo.
Haha - too right! Imagine trying to make sure that everyone is smiling and nobody is blinking. And you're sweating onto your gear and fogging up the finder.
> Beautiful result though and the crop looks great, I can see it on a few mantelpieces. This is a piece of history for that family right there, good job
Did you use an alt for this??
Thanks - yes, it is a stitch of 20 or so portrait frames from a 5D with a Contax 50 f1.7. I can do stitches like this in a fraction of the time with the 1Ds3. For a start, I use it in landscape orientation not portrait!
I don't do this kind of shot enough to warrant the acquisition of a high resolution digital back, and even then it would be a lot of extra weight to lug around, and it would slow down my process a lot, when taking the least of people's time is paramount. I would still need to stitch a couple of frames anyway. The 1Ds3 is a great compromise for this kind of shot, and the nice thing is I no longer take two camera systems to a job. I sold all my medium format gear.
More MP, crap AF and FPS.
Yep. And it'll sell like hotcakes. I don't use AF, I don't shoot sport. If it had had 12MP, whizzbang AF and weather sealing, I would have been disappointed (though I would probably not spend much time or energy whinging about it, especially if there was an alternative that did suit my needs).... If it had 21MP with whizzbang AF and weather sealing I wouldn't be able to afford it (it would be a miniature 1DsMkIII). I would've been disappointed then, too. But Canon did its numbers and saw this as the camera that would make them money with their current lineup and the opposition's taken into consideration. I happen to be a winner. For those who aren't the solution is simple, and it's hard to see how you didn't see it coming...
Sorry - I did say I wouldn't contribute further. It just seems so simple to me...
50D - 15 MP, very low noise (best ever crop sensor) - $1400
5DII - 21MP, extremely low noise (likely) - $2600 (Oh no, too many pixels, no pro AF!)
1DIII - 10MP, very low noise, pro AF - $4100 (Oh no, not enough pixels!)
1DsIII - 21MP, low noise, pro AF - $8000 (too expensive!)
For those who don't care about pixels, but want pro AF and a weathersealed body, pay the extra $$, and get a 1DIII.
Sorry. I think Canon has an outstanding lineup. No, it doesn't mirror Nikon's lineup. You all look and say "Nikon has an affordable, full frame pro AF body". Yes, they do...and that's a great thing. However, Canon now has a super-high resolution, low noise full frame body for LESS money than that. Canon also has the best image quality in any 1.6x body, for hundreds less than Nikon's flagship 1.6x. This has only continued the trend with no direct competitors. Nikon has no competition for the 5D II or the 50D. Nor do Canon have any direct competition for the D300 or the D700.
Different strokes for different folks. For me, it's all about the IQ.
Cross type or not cross type, what does it matter when the whole AF point cluster only cover a small fraction in the center of the image. Is there some fundamental problem with making the AF points more spread out over the whole image?
An interesting question: Does the AF-points on the 30/40/50D cover more of the images (because of a smaller sensor)? Does anyone know some site where this is compared graphically, preferable also with 1D and 1Ds thrown in?
But on the other hand, with 21MP you can just keep your subject in the middle and then crop to the composition you like.
Ralph Conway wrote:
Yes, looks silly. Here in germany the D700 is € 100 more than the 5D II start price at trustfull dealers. The 50D already went down € 100 before in teh shelves.
That would mean D700 over there at your place is nearly € 600 cheaper in UK then here in germany? Are you sure you told the D700 pricing, not D300?
Ralph
Have a look on www.warehouseexpress.co.uk for yourself. 5DmkII - £2300, D700 - £1685, Sony A900 -£1999
Really weird price relationship, different to the rest of the world, especially the Sony which is considerably cheaper at pre order than the 5D mkII unlike in the US.
50D - 15 MP, very low noise (best ever crop sensor) - $1400
5DII - 21MP, extremely low noise (likely) - $2600 (Oh no, too many pixels, no pro AF!)
1DIII - 10MP, very low noise, pro AF - $4100 (Oh no, not enough pixels!)
1DsIII - 21MP, low noise, pro AF - $8000 (too expensive!)
For those who don't care about pixels, but want pro AF and a weathersealed body, pay the extra $$, and get a 1DIII.
Sorry. I think Canon has an outstanding lineup. No, it doesn't mirror Nikon's lineup. You all look and say "Nikon has an affordable, full frame pro AF body". Yes, they do...and that's a great thing. However, Canon now has a super-high resolution, low noise full frame body for LESS money than that. Canon also has the best image quality in any 1.6x body, for hundreds less than Nikon's flagship 1.6x. This has only continued the trend with no direct competitors. Nikon has no competition for the 5D II or the 50D. Nor do Canon have any direct competition for the D300 or the D700.
Different strokes for different folks. For me, it's all about the IQ....Show more →
That is my opinion, too. You sayd it less pathetic. Thank you.
Ralph
AngusM wrote:
You can certainly tell the photographers from the spec-nerds. All of the moaners here are clearly deluded in their expectations of what Canon was going to offer here. Want a 1DsIII? Go buy one if that is what you seek in a camera..simple. I think Canon now offers a camera body to suit every photographer's need. So if you want more than you can afford..work harder.
Well said. Photographers vs. Spec-Nerds. Maybe we could have separate threads?
I am calling my local (they are in California, and I currently work/reside in France) as soon as they open to put down my deposit on the 5DII.
-Christopher
Omg this thread is better then a movie! *munches popcorn*
In all seriousness have we all forgotten its the photographer that makes a picture special not the camera?
If you dont understand light, depth of field, focusing, etc you can have the best camera in the world and not take one decent shot.
I had a 1Ds Mark III in my shopping cart a few days ago and I'm glad I held off buying because now I can't wait to buy my 5D Mark II. Its the perfect camera for me
ulrikft wrote:
Right, I should shell out $8000 OR sell all my lenses... and get a d700?
That's the rub. I can understand anyone being angry. Nikon has decided to make pro AF available at £1700 and £950. But for those with a serious investment in Canon glass, the cheapest pro AF body is £2300 and has a bad reputation for sports AF. Canon's body line-up doesn't fit people's needs very well, but we subject ourselves to it because image quality still seems to be the best value. To wit, the 1Ds3 is too expensive, the 1D3 is too low rez, the 5DI/II has amateur AF, and the rest are 1.6 crop. This was a chance for Canon to begin fixing those problems and stopping altogether the flow to Nikon. A 5D which had a better AF and real weather sealing at the right price would have been enough to show that Canon was on the way to doing that. Even without a built-in flash. The 50D is OK where it is, and the 450D rocks, so that would have simply left the top end to fix, probably by the introduction of a 24-30 megapixel full frame combined 1D/1Ds with a high speed crop mode. Instead, Canon does not seem to have that agenda, and it leaves itself open to more blood-letting. It's fair to say that apart from the limitation of 12 megapixels, no Canon camera competes with the D700. And that limitation may not be around for long.
Wow, pretty discouraged by this forum right now. First weeks of baseless speculation & rumor-mongering & now - I suppose inevitably - vicious argument in the wake of the actual announcement. All this before a single test has been done or photograph taken! This isn't the board it seemed several months ago. I guess this is the reality of the new product announcement cycle here at FM?
"The Mark II now features an automatic ISO option where the camera selects the sensitivity (in the range ISO 100 - 3200). In Auto, Program and Aperture Priority the camera attempts to maintain a minimum shutter speed of 1/focal length (hence with a 24 mm lens it will try to maintain 1/25 sec or faster). In manual mode Auto ISO is fixed at ISO 400."
dragonview wrote:
Let’s first assume that 5D-2 does meet the market expectation and give us a extreme low noise sensor, the question is why in the world Canon want to do it on a 21MP sensor? The consumer would have been perfectly happy with the performance on a 16 or 17MP sensor. If Canon 5D-2’s 21MP sensor can really deliver D3’s ISO performance, the IDs Mark III will basically become obsolete in any practical sense.
? The consumer would have been perfectly happy with the performance on a 16 or 17MP sensor. If Canon 5D-2’s 21MP sensor can really deliver D3’s ISO performance, the IDs Mark III will basically become obsolete in any practical sense.