RDKirk wrote:
If anyone was within $300 of a decision like that, they had no business buying a camera to begin with.
Please don't be so harsh. I pre-ordered one at Cnd $2700 but I am balking out at $3000. For a hobbyist $300 may mean getting a product now or waiting. If the camera contributes to one' livelihood, $300 would be an investment in equipment but for some hobbyist it is not.
It is not that the camera is now priced at $3000 (CND) but it was offered at $2700 about two months ago that is making buyers upset. Some will just wait.
sbright wrote:
Please don't be so harsh. I pre-ordered one at Cnd $2700 but I am balking out at $3000. For a hobbyist $300 may mean getting a product now or waiting. If the camera contributes to one' livelihood, $300 would be an investment in equipment but for some hobbyist it is not.
It is not that the camera is now priced at $3000 (CND) but it was offered at $2700 about two months ago that is making buyers upset. Some will just wait.
People must make the decision that is best for them. The problem here is that this camera was very long in coming, and has gotten people a bit nutty over it.
The exchange rate may continue in the direction it's going, or it may reverse. Who can tell?
bobbytan wrote:
Look for 5D II deals in the US to begin after Thanksgiving and dealers to have adequate stock? What are you smoking? 10:1 odds that that will not happen ..... unless you are talking about 2009!
Well there bobbytan, you are the one living in
Southern CA. I'm not smoking anything actually. Why not check back in about December 15th (2008) and see what the picture looks like. In the meantime, keep drinking coolaid.
It is not that the camera is now priced at $3000 (CND) but it was offered at $2700 about two months ago that is making buyers upset.
I'm not sure anyone foresaw exactly how large the drop in value against the $US was going to be. At the time, it was widely assumed that since it was the US economy in trouble, the US$ would stay down, but since the troubles have spread, the $US is now a safehaven, even though economies like the Australian one were well regulated and have been relatively unaffected by the actual FINANCIAL crisis, they will inevitably be hit by the coming ECONOMIC crisis. Things have happened quickly, and the situation is VASTLY different to the situation 2 months ago. Had anybody foreseen the drop in currencies relative to the $US, they would be better off now. As it happens, I made a small amount out of the drop in the $AU, but it was just luck, not foresight.
Because talking about the economic problems here is not going to solve anything except get a lot of people riled up and frustrated. In a way, we are talking about the global economic problem - fluctuations in exchange rates and how it affects our buying decisions.
roberto1979 wrote:
Ah, the internet. 3129 posts of argument about a camera that hasn't even arrived. Why aren't all you guys out solving the worlds problems?
EyeBrock wrote:
Either way I'm not convinced that I should be happy about paying $450 more than a price announced 4 weeks ago.
Who would be?
At least NIKON are giving retailers until 12th November before a price rise.
A few days. If they had cameras that people had on order, no difference.
Those 5D2's are in a shipping container somewhere between Japan and Vancouver as we speak, the prices didn’t rise midway in the Pacific. The increase should have been on the next batch.
The exchange rate has changed markedly. Just because people don't understand it doesn't mean it has no effect.
Really I can't see why anybody is trying to defend Canon for jacking up the prices in Canada, especially posters from the US telling us we are whiners for complaining about this.
Are you trying to prove some point? We are not happy and I think those of us who have pre-ordered have a right to be annoyed.
If feeling annoyed makes you feel better, go right ahead. But don't expect it to actually change anything, because real events are happening.
Those of you in the States, you are alright Jack, why care about us? You obviously have no sympathy, why dispute our right to be annoyed at Canon? They have lost a lot of good will from Canon customers. You Yanks telling us we have nothing to complain about isn’t gonna put $450 back in my pocket.
Wow, what a dummy spit.
It's changing the prices down here as well, but that's just life. Seems to me that most of the people complaining simply don't understand why it's happening, and are not interested in learning about it, either.
miccullen wrote:
It's changing the prices down here as well, but that's just life. Seems to me that most of the people complaining simply don't understand why it's happening, and are not interested in learning about it, either.
roberto1979 wrote:
Ah, the internet. 3129 posts of argument about a camera that hasn't even arrived. Why aren't all you guys out solving the worlds problems?
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I think the new prez is supposed to do that right? I mean... uh... nevermind.
Mel Gross wrote:
I don't think so. Do you have evidence for that? I've read consistently that the US, is the largest single market, and that when Canada is added, much larger than any other.
When Europe is mentioned, what is meant by it? There are more than one definition of the "European Market", depending on which countries are included. Some even include Russia east of the Ural Mountains.
Well, you read that the US is the largest market in the US press and Mel reads Europe is the largest market in the Euro press.
When Europe is mentioned it usually counts the 27 countries that are in the European Union and sometimes western Russia.
AaronNegro wrote:
Well, you read that the US is the largest market in the US press and Mel reads Europe is the largest market in the Euro press.
When Europe is mentioned it usually counts the 27 countries that are in the European Union and sometimes western Russia.
Generalities and subtle implications made in the press are ALWAYS dangerous.
First, the total (legal) US population = 300 million vs 500 million for the EU
Second, The U.S. economy accounts for 25% of the World economy vs 30% EU
Third and most important, the GDP (Gross Domestic Product), a measure of income is over $50,000 per capita in the U.S. versus $28,000 per capita for th EU.
Where do you think high priced camera gear is most likely to sell in the greatest numbers. If I were trying to market expensive products I would look first to the richest consumers concentrated in the most homogeneous population centers (i.e. the States). This is exactly what Japan is going to do-no question about it. They will be giving away Canon 1 Series on the street corners just so that they can sell lenses in the U.S..
Sweet Dreams-Chesapeake
chesapeake wrote:
Generalities and subtle implications made in the press are ALWAYS dangerous.
First, the total (legal) US population = 300 million vs 500 million for the EU
Second, The U.S. economy accounts for 25% of the World economy vs 30% EU
Third and most important, the GDP (Gross Domestic Product), a measure of income is over $50,000 per capita in the U.S. versus $28,000 per capita for th EU.
Where do you think high priced camera gear is most likely to sell in the greatest numbers. If I were trying to market expensive products I would look first to the richest consumers concentrated in the most homogeneous population centers (i.e. the States). This is exactly what Japan is going to do-no question about it. They will be giving away Canon 1 Series on the street corners just so that they can sell lenses in the U.S..
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Oh, you forgot to mention that the national debt count board in NYC just ran out of space and the US jobless rate is at 14 years high, 240000 job lot in Oct alone etc etc
This is a short term or temporary problem and will not significantly affect the main statistics. Besides, we are seeing a global recession and Europe and Asia/Australia are not spared. Unemployment rates everywhere will rise.
wkhc168 wrote:
Oh, you forgot to mention that the national debt count board in NYC just ran out of space and the US jobless rate is at 14 years high, 240000 job lot in Oct alone etc etc
wkhc168 wrote:
Oh, you forgot to mention that the national debt count board in NYC just ran out of space and the US jobless rate is at 14 years high, 240000 job lot in Oct alone etc etc
You're right. Our jobless rate is now a bit over half of what France and Germany's normal jobless rate has been for over a decade. Italy's has been higher for years as well, as is that of most of Europe. Gee, theirs is going up more, as is the rest of Europes'.
How's it going there?
Our debt is way too high for us, but it's still far lower as a percentage of the GDP than it is most anywhere else. What's the percentage of it in Canada?
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