EyeBrock wrote:
What he's basically saying is that even when we were at par in Canada, we still payed more than in the US.
When the Yen was weak against the Can $ we still paid more but now the Can $ is weaker against the US $ and Yen we now have to pay even more.
For example I bought $3300 worth of gear from B&H in Feb, shipped to my in-laws in St Petes. The same stuff would have cost me $5500 in Canada.
As in we were ripped off then and we are getting ripped off even more now.
There could be a lot of factors to that. Aren't Canadians always pissed about getting screwed on prices?
I mean it's a smaller market then the US, the government probably charges higher import tariffs and to top it off you are paying %14 or %15 in sales tax
O.K. there is some good news (silver lining so to speak) for U.S. residents. Canon understands that worldwide demand for its products are down. The largest single market for its products is the realively wealthy U.S. and they will channel their shipments to U.S. dealers in order to unload the most product. It is just simple, cold, hard business and no hidden plot motivates them. Look for deals in the U.S. to begin after Thanksgiving and dealers to have adequate stock. It might be a good time to visit the U.S. and pick up some camera gear.
Chesapeake
The problem is, by taking pre-orders, a retailer is trading the risk of higher future prices, for a certain revenue stream and obtain a competitive edge against other retailers. What bothers me is that, by doing this, they're essentially eliminating the risk involved with taking pre-orders and making this a risk free game for them. Bad business and poor service on the behalf of the retailers that are doing this.
The problem is, by taking pre-orders, a retailer is trading the risk of higher future prices, for a certain revenue stream and obtain a competitive edge against other retailers. What bothers me is that, by doing this, they're essentially eliminating the risk involved with taking pre-orders and making this a risk free game for them. Bad business and poor service on the behalf of the retailers that are doing this.
Yep. They're taking your order, and in many cases your money, and then breaking the contract. Got nothing to do with Canon. I've put down 10% with a company that appeared to be hedging its bets - i.e. they 'priced' it right in the middle of speculative pricings. If they try to charge me more, I'll be mighty annoyed. At the retailer who has basically lied to get me in the door.
orangefirefish wrote:
The problem is, by taking pre-orders, a retailer is trading the risk of higher future prices, for a certain revenue stream and obtain a competitive edge against other retailers. What bothers me is that, by doing this, they're essentially eliminating the risk involved with taking pre-orders and making this a risk free game for them. Bad business and poor service on the behalf of the retailers that are doing this.
I would still like him to explain his numbers, because from that chart, I can't figure out what he's saying.
For example, where is he getting those prices from? He says B&H price for the 50 1.4 is $289.95. Where is it that price? B&H charges $325 for that lens in the US, with the US guarantee, and has for a while.
They charge $355 for the 85 1.8.
That's one reason the chart is confusing. He has "diff" in percent, but doesn't show from what to what. The chart is meaningless without a better explanation of the numbers.
fair enough; the chart was drawn up in late October, a year ago - US fall instant rebates were in effect (the Canadian ones were mail-in). The Canadian price was taken from Henrys, converted using the daily rate at XE.com to USD, then compared to the BH price. The difference between the two was then listed in US dollars, and also as a percentage of the US price (in retrospect, I should've used the midpoint instead).
Look for 5D II deals in the US to begin after Thanksgiving and dealers to have adequate stock? What are you smoking? 10:1 odds that that will not happen ..... unless you are talking about 2009!
chesapeake wrote:
O.K. there is some good news (silver lining so to speak) for U.S. residents. Canon understands that worldwide demand for its products are down. The largest single market for its products is the realively wealthy U.S. and they will channel their shipments to U.S. dealers in order to unload the most product. It is just simple, cold, hard business and no hidden plot motivates them. Look for deals in the U.S. to begin after Thanksgiving and dealers to have adequate stock. It might be a good time to visit the U.S. and pick up some camera gear.
Chesapeake
wkhc168 wrote:
Aden
Please add to these lists if you know more.
Yes, Aden is likely the best camera store in Canada. Excellent really - they have the items in stock, ready for delivery at a price often lower than what is available for a used item stateside. Terrific service all the way around.
Sorry to disagree Chesapeake, when you say that the largest single market for its products is the US. For DSLRs, the European Union is a significantly larger market.
bobbytan wrote:
Look for 5D II deals in the US to begin after Thanksgiving and dealers to have adequate stock? What are you smoking? 10:1 odds that that will not happen ..... unless you are talking about 2009!
I doubt there will be any deals on the 5D MKII after Thanksgiving because I don't think the supply will meet the demand by then. Possibly this summer when the bulk of the consumers who want this camera have gotten one.
Such things as this are hard to gage since we are looking at it from our demand in a small sector of the world market. I'm surprised the 50D has gone down $200 (14%) in a month after being released, even with its disdain by many.
The economy is hitting people in different ways and maybe some of that play money they would have had for a new 5D MKII may need to go toward bills or other more important matters. Only the hardcore camera person will sell their family for a new camera.
Price change of 5D mk II is one thing but a bigger problem is that Canon is pulling 5D (mk I) from the stores. Henry's does not have it advertised on their web site anymore and they told me (at their stores) that existing 5D cameras were requested back (only the kit with 24-105 lens is sold).
philber wrote:
Sorry to disagree Chesapeake, when you say that the largest single market for its products is the US. For DSLRs, the European Union is a significantly larger market.
The economy is hitting people in different ways and maybe some of that play money they would have had for a new 5D MKII may need to go toward bills or other more important matters. Only the hardcore camera person will sell their family for a new camera.
If anyone was within $300 of a decision like that, they had no business buying a camera to begin with.
Price change of 5D mk II is one thing but a bigger problem is that Canon is pulling 5D (mk I) from the stores. Henry's does not have it advertised on their web site anymore and they told me (at their stores) that existing 5D cameras were requested back (only the kit with 24-105 lens is sold). How is that possible?
It's not possible. I don't believe for a second that Canon is buying back cameras from the dealers. People are still buying the 5D1, and will continue buying it. Heck, as recent as three months ago, B&H still had a few 1D2 cameras for sale.
wkhc168 wrote:
That's no difference at all. Nikon has no new product out.
So you're saying that "jacking up the price" as you love to say, is fine for older product that already on the dealers shelves, and already paid for by them?
That's a strange concept.
Nikon has given all of one week. WoW! That's sure a lot of time to expect people to decide on multiple thousands of dollars worth of purchases they weren't planning for now.
In the past, when Canon has needed to raise prices, theyve given us a month.
But, you're forgetting all about that, aren't you?
agentgraves wrote:
fair enough; the chart was drawn up in late October, a year ago - US fall instant rebates were in effect (the Canadian ones were mail-in). The Canadian price was taken from Henrys, converted using the daily rate at XE.com to USD, then compared to the BH price. The difference between the two was then listed in US dollars, and also as a percentage of the US price (in retrospect, I should've used the midpoint instead).
Ok, that makes more sense.
But, still, that's just a few products. most have no rebate at all. We're going through a rebate interval right now.
One thing I've not followed up on is whether Canon has announced price increases across the board as Nikon has done. I get e-mails from them every week, one of the latest was involving the rebates, but none regarding price increases.
philber wrote:
Sorry to disagree Chesapeake, when you say that the largest single market for its products is the US. For DSLRs, the European Union is a significantly larger market.
I don't think so. Do you have evidence for that? I've read consistently that the US, is the largest single market, and that when Canada is added, much larger than any other.
When Europe is mentioned, what is meant by it? There are more than one definition of the "European Market", depending on which countries are included. Some even include Russia east of the Ural Mountains.
