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p.125 #1 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


skibum5 wrote:
notice the discussion was on body performance NOT body housing

of course the physical housing of the 5D is way better than a rebel, but lots of the performance bits are only slightly better than rebel class and all are worse than 1 series pro class (including the AF at f/8 that was under question here) and all are also worse than 20D-50D class body performance specs (again, as I said, ignoring the sensor and video components; the AF is better than rebel class for sure, not 1 series class, better than 50D? not sure if it is known yet, maybe
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Jesus!




Oct 18, 2008 at 01:38 AM
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p.125 #2 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


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my local store in Irvine ,Ca. says they are going to have it in one or two weeks, and that they expect 10 of them, I'm number 9 in the list ... !!

edit I just made the 100th page on the 5D MkII, we should be killed, some people can't eat and we talk & buy 5d's ....


did they expect body or kit first?



Oct 18, 2008 at 01:50 AM
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p.125 #3 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread



look at the frame rate, look at the shutter lag, look at the mirror blackout time, look at the buffer, even the flash sync. The 1 series totally destroys the 5D in all those specs as do the xxD's (well certainly at least since the 20D) and in many cases the specs are closer to the rebel body performance (even if a little bit better) than to the xxD nevermind the 1 series.

could someone enlighten me on this. do you mean that the shutter lag is going to be worse than the 50d. this may be a deciding factor if im
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Oct 18, 2008 at 03:42 AM
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p.125 #4 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


also why on earth wouldnt it do AF at F/8. these may all be deciding factors when buying this camera over a 50d.


Oct 18, 2008 at 04:44 AM
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p.125 #5 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


So why dont you buy a new Rebel insted of a 5DII ?? I feel very sorry for some people that trying to reduce in such way the value of a new FullFrame DSLR camera. Friends just wake up 5D II is nothing to do with any Rebel or other cropped sensor DSLR


Oct 18, 2008 at 06:02 AM
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p.125 #6 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Nah nah, he's right. 5D is just a shame, a huge mistake of Canon, an inferior of both 1D and xxD. People are stupid enough to buy the 5D with its terrible specs, including me, who never learn the mistake and ordered a 5D Mk II.


Oct 18, 2008 at 06:39 AM
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p.125 #7 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


skibum5 wrote:
sorry for the confusion, by body i didn't mean the physical housing, that has nothing to do with the ability to AF at f/8 and actual performance and that was what was under discussion,

the physical body is definitely much better than a Rebel.

but the non-sensor innards are overal closer to a rebel than to anything else in the canon line and not a match for an xxD body (aside, perhaps and hopefully for AF) nevermind a pro 1 series body.

look at the frame rate, look at the shutter lag, look at the mirror blackout time, look at the buffer, even
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Of course the 1 series are better built. That's what you pay for but as for the camera being pro level many of the best pro photographers in the world use the 5D.

I've never heard anyone considered someone in the industry suggest that the 5D was not a pro camera.



Oct 18, 2008 at 07:09 AM
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p.125 #8 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread




but all the shutter, mirror, buffer, etc. are far from pro level and getting back to the main question, no it's not a pro body and it does not do AF at f/8.


The 5D works fine. None of these are real issues in using the camera. Have you shot with a 5D?

Also, AF at f8? My 1DMK2 screams at 1.8 (200/f1.8), is good at 4 (300 f4), and slowish at 5.6 (400 5.6 and 100-400 f5.6). I can't image I would even want to use it with any fast subjects at f8. Also, the 5D will focus at f8 if use a 3rd party TC(Kenko or Tamron) that reports the original aperture.It will just be slow.

FWIW, when shooting vehicles coming straight at me from 30-70 mph with a 100-400 f5.6L the keeper rate for the 1DMK2 was 70% and for the 5D was 60%. AI servo mode.

jerry




Oct 18, 2008 at 09:37 AM
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p.125 #9 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Has anyone seen information/posts regarding recording SMPTE(LTC) code on one of the audio channels of the 5DII? I know it records PCM audio, but does anyone know the sample rate? 44.1k, 48k, 32k?


Oct 18, 2008 at 10:03 AM
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p.125 #10 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


I've never heard anyone considered someone in the industry suggest that the 5D was not a pro camera.

Ahem. Mr. Maeda, the Canon Inc imaging division chief, has stated that the 5D was designed for high-end amateurs.



Oct 18, 2008 at 10:13 AM
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p.125 #11 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


look at the frame rate, look at the shutter lag, look at the mirror blackout time, look at the buffer, even the flash sync. The 1 series totally destroys the 5D in all those specs as do the xxD's (well certainly at least since the 20D) and in many cases the specs are closer to the rebel body performance (even if a little bit better) than to the xxD nevermind the 1 series.

You don't realize that the slower framerate, greater mirror lag, and "smaller" (in terms of frames of storage) of the 5D compared to the APS-C cameras is entirely because of the larger mirror, shutter, and frame data?

In terms of production cost for those components, the 5D is probably about equal to the 50D. If you want to push a 24x36mm 21mp image to those speeds, you have to beef up all those components considerably above "consumer" camera price points.



Oct 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM
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p.125 #12 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


jaypod wrote:
look at the frame rate, look at the shutter lag, look at the mirror blackout time, look at the buffer, even the flash sync. The 1 series totally destroys the 5D in all those specs as do the xxD's (well certainly at least since the 20D) and in many cases the specs are closer to the rebel body performance (even if a little bit better) than to the xxD nevermind the 1 series.


RDKirk wrote:
You don't realize that the slower framerate, greater mirror lag, and "smaller" (in terms of frames of storage) of the 5D compared to the APS-C cameras is entirely because of the larger mirror, shutter, and frame data?

In terms of production cost for those components, the 5D is probably about equal to the 50D. If you want to push a 24x36mm 21mp image to those speeds, you have to beef up all those components considerably above "consumer" camera price points.


I agree, and if 5 fps on a 1DS vs. 3.9 fps 5DII on a camera that cost $4k more is totally distroy, I think Canon should just give up trying. Because Canon will never please this crowd. If they improve all other areas as mentioned, it will say The 1 series totally destroys by the 5D.



Oct 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM
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p.125 #13 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


skibum5 wrote:
the discussion was on body performance NOT body housing



Not the way you stated it. You made a blank dismissal of the camera, despite the fact that many thousands of working pros use this camera on a daily basis.

Most people who own this camera, and who have posted here, have disagreed with your statements, in what they have said in their posts. You obviously do not use this camera, so you are not qualified to make the comments you have. If you did use the camera, you wouldn't be making the comments.

Please do not now say that you do use this camera, because it simply is not believable.

You don't understand why some of the specs are what they are, and aren't making any allowance for cost.

This camera doesn't sell for$4,500, much less for $8,000. Because of that, to compare the relatively minor, for most people, differences in fps, or shutter lag, or possibility of not auto focusing at f8 as a non starter for most pro's is simply wrong. Very few working photographers care about these things the way you seem to. Only if their particular professions REQUIRE it, do they care.

I have to assume that you only use1Ds's or 1D's to care so much about it.

Far more pro photography is deliberative, rather than rushed, where the 1D excells. Few photographers need, and use f8 lenses, or slower models with extenders, that bring the stop to 8 or slower.

Again, almost every poster who owns the camera has stated the the autofocus is just fine on the old model, and the new one is somewhat improved.

In fact, the only reason why many pros have chosen the 1Ds over the old 5D is because of the sharpness of the image, due to the higher pixel count, which is significant. Now, that's gone, perhaps to be replaced with an even higher pixel count in the 1Ds mkIII replacement. Or maybe not.

I've had my camera out in the rain, cold, and heat. On the beach, and high winds, and it hasn't failed yet. I'm sure than many others can say the same thing. And the new model will be better!

Perhaps you don't use a Canon "pro" model, and simply think this is out of your reach.

Whatever the reason, your simple statement is itself unreasonable, and flies in the face of what almost all the other users have said.

Perhaps you should go back and re-read the comments made by those users over the past 100 pages. You will then see what a small minority you are in over this.



Oct 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM
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p.125 #14 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


jray wrote:
Has anyone seen information/posts regarding recording SMPTE(LTC) code on one of the audio channels of the 5DII? I know it records PCM audio, but does anyone know the sample rate? 44.1k, 48k, 32k?


I believe it is 44.1k



Oct 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM
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p.125 #15 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


jaypod wrote:
also why on earth wouldnt it do AF at F/8. these may all be deciding factors when buying this camera over a 50d.


No camera autofocuses well at f8 or slower. None!

Some may focus, but it won't be good much of the time.

If you are using a long tele for something that is so far off, infinity focus is just about as good most of the time anyway, at those apertures (8 and 11)

For most everything else, f8 is stretching it.

If you want to do pro level work with a long lens, buy the lens!

A converter lowers the quality anyway. It's just for emergencies. It's not for the purpose of saving money.

That's why Canon, and others, have been making faster long tele's.

If a converter was just dandy, there wouldn't be a need for the large, heavy, expensive, fast models.



Oct 18, 2008 at 12:04 PM
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p.125 #16 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


RDKirk wrote:
Ahem. Mr. Maeda, the Canon Inc imaging division chief, has stated that the 5D was designed for high-end amateurs.


There have been statements from Canon about the camera being popular amongst pros. It's also been stated by Canon that the camera is perfect for weddings etc.

Of course, Canon, like Nikon and Sony, aren't going to just come out and declare that these $3,000 models are "pro" models in the face of their much more expensive models (except for Sony, without the much more expensive models, but if Sony claimed the a900 as a pro model officially, then it would be compared to the more expensive models, and lose).

But we all know very well that these cameras ARE pro models, and that the companies, while maybe not officially showing them as such, know it too. Denying that is pointless.



Oct 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM
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p.125 #17 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


thanks mel,
youve put my mind at ease. i take it your talking about f8 to f11 in camera settings. if you are i think the only time i would use this setting would be to get the dof right for a macro shot. most shooting for wildlife i do at 2.8-5.6 depending on the size of the animal. i much preferr 2.8 for backround blur.
about lenses, ive learnt my lesson there over the years and not i only buy very sharp lenses. if i am going to get this cameera then i will definatly be getting the 400mm L glass. also my canon tc 1.4 on the 70-200L 2.8 works a dream on the 50d with virtually no loss of quality. i cant see there being a difference with the 5d2 but not having owned a 5d its hard for me to say.
i will more than liely be thinking of the 300mm 2.8L insted of 400mm because of the min focusing dist and the use of the 1.4tc doesnt reduce quality from what ive read on the respective threads. i know this is for another thread but that shows how much my shooting now is about quality.





Oct 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM
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p.125 #18 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


The 1.4tc will be even more popular with the release of the 5D MKII because you can use it on "normal"-sized teles like the 70-200 F4 IS while cranking the ISO to maintain enough light for fast shutters. I can't wait.


Oct 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM
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p.125 #19 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


ill ask my previous question another way.

i am not a pro photographer but would like to be. i cant afford to get a 50d and another camera. i cant change brands due to owning a few L lenses and loving them. i mainly shoot on holiday, people, animals, very occasional birds, scenery, sunsets and flowers. i do a fair bit of macro shooting at home. ive been taking buildings in london and abroad ie the lloys building, empire states ect some at night with the lights on.
some shooting at amature dramatic shows my wife is in (inside under stage lighting)
i want to upgrade from the xxd series as i want to improve the quality of my shots especially on night shots and high iso shots and be able to print stunning pictures at A2. so what are my options without spending $8000 on a 1ds3?
i can see the 5d2 as my only option. $3000 is about my limit.
i can really see the improvement in quality between the sample pictures of the 5d2 and the 50d especially at iso 800 and above. a hugh difference in iso 1600 and 3200



Oct 18, 2008 at 01:16 PM
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p.125 #20 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


jaypod wrote:
also why on earth wouldnt it do AF at F/8. these may all be deciding factors when buying this camera over a 50d.


just to make sure thisis clear, it doesn't care what f/stop you take the photo at when it comes to AF, since it focuses with the lens wide open, where the problem is when wide open is not very wide open then only the 1 series can still AF, I think the non-series limit is f/5.6. Mostly these cases occur when sticking TC onto lenses that are not that fast (you can tape pins and try to trick the camera though)



Oct 18, 2008 at 01:23 PM
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