just finished pre ordering camera body only. said they should be recieving them on the week of the 23rd november most probably towards the end of the week. looks like im gonna get it sent to new jersey address and avoid the tax. only prob is shipping wont get it there until after i return to the uk on the 1st dec.
msy need to take another trip over there or get my bro to bring it over.
guess ill have to wait a bit longer. but it does save me almost £800 on the uk price.
Mike Hatam wrote:
I just called them, based on this post. They told me the same thing, but it's November 30th. From your post, I thought it might be October 30th.
Oh yea sorry about that, yes they said November 30th.
well lets hope we all have a very happy thanksgiving with an added bonus.
excellent customer sales team at J&R. very helpfull.
glad i phoned them when i did.
its going to be hard to know the camera is there waiting for me but i will not get it till jan 09.
jaypod wrote:
i know you cant really compare images as you dont know what lenses and other factors are different but when i look at the images on the web at various sites from 50d and 5d2 side by side the 5d2 just look much sharper and punchier and more real life. ive spent alot of time looking at all the images and the ones taken in lodon (the ice cream van, boats and tower bridge are just amazing.
after spending money on a 70-200 L 2.8 i now realize the differnece money can get you, i will never buy cheaper lenses now. the 5d2 is the limit i can spend and really i think im going to see a good advantage in image quality overr the 50d. ...Show more →
I'm not saying you shouldn't do this. I'm going to trade my old 5D in for the mkII early next year.
What I'm saying is that you seem to prefer the mkII to the 50D already. I say that you should make this choice yourself, because none of us here can really tell what you need better than yourself.
By eliciting suggestions from us, you're more likely to make a snap judgement from a single post or two, that you may regret later.
I'd just hate to think that you might regret your decision, and think that it's the fault of that "so and so" who wrote that post on FM.
Thanks for your concern mel, much appreciated. nice to know someone out there is thinking of my best interests.
as i said before ive always wanted a full frame and better usable iso. i have been trying to get peoples opinions who own both types of cameras the same way as people read reviews. because ive never owned a full frame i am not aware of the pros and cons therefore owners views are important. The more info i can amass the more of an informed decision i can make.
I think based on what ive read and seen ive come to this conclusion.
1, iso is poor (in my opinion looking at pictures)at and above iso1600 on 50d. poss equal to iso 6400 on 5d2. picture quality is the most important part to me.
2, 6 fps compared to 4fps, I dont do any sports shooting and most animal shoots i do are fairly static. not into bird shooting
3, reach of lenses: might have to buy a longer lens but my original lenses will give me wider shots. about equal there.
4, video mode is a bonus but not main reason for 2ds
looking at the above from all your inputs i would say the 2ds has the edge.
but that cannot tell me what its like to look through a viewfinder of a full frame camera or see your pictures improve with a better sensor. only people who own both can say that.
thats why i value all your opinions.
i cant even remember what that "so and so" posted now, so it couldnt have been that improtant.
CMOS wrote:
How about if Canon announces a camera and then actually ships it? This is quite a bit of BS at this point. If Canon is going to announce months before shipment, Canon should at least say when it's going to ship.
Canon is significantly better than many. Rarely does Canon take more than 60 days or so to ship after announcement, compared to other companies that can take a year...or never.
I think it's great that Canon is making the announcement early ..... so we don't have to just wait and wait and be kept in the dark as to what Canon is doing. Those who are on the fence between Canon and Nikon and Sony can therefore make a decision and plan forward. It's all good as long as we know when it will be released - and they did say end November.
RDKirk wrote:
Canon is significantly better than many. Rarely does Canon take more than 60 days or so to ship after announcement, compared to other companies that can take a year...or never.
One should also know that FF is a lot more demanding on lenses - so you need good glass i.e. macro and L-series lenses. Consumer grade lenses won't do quite so well on FF bodies.
jaypod wrote:
Thanks for your concern mel, much appreciated. nice to know someone out there is thinking of my best interests.
as i said before ive always wanted a full frame and better usable iso. i have been trying to get peoples opinions who own both types of cameras the same way as people read reviews. because ive never owned a full frame i am not aware of the pros and cons therefore owners views are important. The more info i can amass the more of an informed decision i can make.
I think based on what ive read and seen ive come to this conclusion.
1, iso is poor (in my opinion looking at pictures)at and above iso1600 on 50d. poss equal to iso 6400 on 5d2. picture quality is the most important part to me.
2, 6 fps compared to 4fps, I dont do any sports shooting and most animal shoots i do are fairly static. not into bird shooting
3, reach of lenses: might have to buy a longer lens but my original lenses will give me wider shots. about equal there.
4, video mode is a bonus but not main reason for 2ds
looking at the above from all your inputs i would say the 2ds has the edge.
but that cannot tell me what its like to look through a viewfinder of a full frame camera or see your pictures improve with a better sensor. only people who own both can say that.
thats why i value all your opinions.
i cant even remember what that "so and so" posted now, so it couldnt have been that improtant....Show more →
notnecessarily, aside from wide angles and corners the low density made them easier in general on lenses than APS-C
the 50D really punished lenses in the center, while the 5dmkii will not anywhere near the center
bobbytan wrote:
One should also know that FF is a lot more demanding on lenses - so you need good glass i.e. macro and L-series lenses. Consumer grade lenses won't do quite so well on FF bodies.
Mel Gross wrote:
I'd just hate to think that you might regret your decision, and think that it's the fault of that "so and so" who wrote that post on FM.
I've seen this happen.
Mel,
You were very right about the above statement.
It happened to me last August when someone from the PopPhoto Forum asked about a lens to shoot football at night whom already own 2 zoom lenses that goes up to 200mm and 300mm. I told the person to step back and get the cheaper Canon EF 28-135mm USM IS because I can get good pictures with lens similar to it during my university days. All one need is to get up close to the sidelines.
This person actually took my advice and order one and put the blame on me for suggesting it. What make it even worst is that the Forum Administrator Jack Howard even brand me melicious.
How can I be melicious when I can get good pictures with a lens of that range and at the same time this user whom had already own 2 other lenses that goes up to 200mm and 300mm not aware how a 135mm lens would look?
That is why from that day onward, I never did offer any advice to other users on any equipments other than what I can get out of it.
hans98ko wrote:
Mel,
You were very right about the above statement.
It happened to me last August when someone from the POP Forum asked about a lens to shoot football at night whom already own 2 zoom lenses that goes up to 200mm and 300mm. I told the person to step back and get the cheaper Canon EF 28-135mm USM IS because I can get good pictures with lens similar to it during my university days. All one need is to get up close to the sidelines.
This person actually took my advice and order one and put the blame on me for suggesting it. What make it even worst is that the Forum Administrator Jack Howard even brand me melicious.
How can I be melicious when I can get good pictures with a lens of that range and at the same time this user whom had already own 2 other lenses that goes up to 200mm and 300mm not aware how a 135mm lens would look?
That is why from that day onward, I never did offer any advice to other users on any equipments other than what I can get out of it.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Should have told the administrator to stick it where the sun don't shine and mind his business.
That will only hurt his feeling but readers will not get to see it because they use to lock or delete posting when they don't like it.
Rather than to confront them which I will be at the disadvantage, I just took the easy way out of getting out of that forum. Anyway that forum is more for beginners and I can get a lot more technical and infromative information here.
hans98ko wrote:
Mel,
You were very right about the above statement.
It happened to me last August when someone from the PopPhoto Forum asked about a lens to shoot football at night whom already own 2 zoom lenses that goes up to 200mm and 300mm. I told the person to step back and get the cheaper Canon EF 28-135mm USM IS because I can get good pictures with lens similar to it during my university days. All one need is to get up close to the sidelines.
This person actually took my advice and order one and put the blame on me for suggesting it. What make it even worst is that the Forum Administrator Jack Howard even brand me melicious.
How can I be melicious when I can get good pictures with a lens of that range and at the same time this user whom had already own 2 other lenses that goes up to 200mm and 300mm not aware how a 135mm lens would look?
That is why from that day onward, I never did offer any advice to other users on any equipments other than what I can get out of it.
Generally speaking, it's not a problem. But I've seen some guys get all out of sorts because someone on a forum (and this one has some of the more knowledgeable ones) gave them advice they later weren't happy about. In one case, a guy had to be banned, because he kept harassing the guy whose advice he took.
the way i look at it is if you want advice then ask for it, it all helps to make an informed judgment, thats why getting more than one persons advice is essential. At the end of the day the final decision lies with me. If i dont like what ive bought then its my fault and no one elses. I always read the reviews as well and not just take one persons perspective. Youll always see good and bad opinions on all goods bought and sold.
Some people just like to blame others for their poor choice.
Also on the point of lenses i have the 100mm 2.8 macro and the 70-200mm 2.8L so both these lenses should me great on the 5d2.
Jay, I'll get off the fence.
If you have the cash, buy the 5DII.
I will. Here is why:
The only thing not to like about it is the size, but considering the performance, it looks like a really great camera.
In terms of crop bodies, I would say move away from them unless you shoot tele or macro exclusively. I am certain that the debate about the relative autofocus ability of thesetwo cameras will continue, and I am equally certain that it will have no significance whatsoever on my personal ability to take pictures with either camera.
I have heard the following things about full frame cameras, but have never actually used one myself yet: FF gives better ISO performance, greater freedom to crop after the capture is made, more control over depth of field, later diffraction limitation, enables you to shoot with fast wide lenses, and has a bigger and brighter viewfinder to aid composition and mannual focus. In summary then, with a full frame camera I hope to have a more flexible tool in terms of DOF, ISO, and ability to crop. I will also have a more precise tool for manual focussing (with my old Olympus Zu glass) and composition. This is a big deal for me, because I have looked at ever photo in a sample shoot and analysed each capture for mistakes, marking them down as too grainy, out of focus, horizon not straight, subject too small or chopped in half by the edge of a frame etc. In this way I know the faults in my own technique and I know the features I want to get in my new camera. I suggest you do the same exercise.
As an aside, the resolution of the 5DII is also such that I personally will be able to crop the central 60% of the frame and get pretty much the same look as I currently acheive with my 6.3MP 300D (crop camera).How things have moved on
I would also say that you are currently using EF glass that is designed for FF. Yes, with a crop camera you are using the central "sweet spot" of the EF lens, but you are also working that area pretty hard in terms of pixel density. Personally, I would prefer to use the whole of the lens as it was designed to be used. I also don't like the idea of carrying around all of the wieght of my 24L just to use the central portion of the lens. Makes no sense.
Thanks stu.
you put i so much more articulatly. my thought exactly. ive spent alot of money on good lenses and would like to take full advantage of them. 21mp to 15mp i can crop by 1.6 and get close to the res of the 50d anyway wiith much less noise.
I value everyones opinions here good and bad. if i didnt i would ask for them.
as for the size, using my 70-200L my current camera feels unbalanced. the extra camera weight will add balance back and make hand held shooting easier.
I havnt heard of anyone saying they have problems with the 70-200L at the frame edges.
jaypod wrote:
Thanks stu.
you put i so much more articulatly. my thought exactly. ive spent alot of money on good lenses and would like to take full advantage of them. 21mp to 15mp i can crop by 1.6 and get close to the res of the 50d anyway wiith much less noise.
I value everyones opinions here good and bad. if i didnt i would ask for them.
as for the size, using my 70-200L my current camera feels unbalanced. the extra camera weight will add balance back and make hand held shooting easier.
I havnt heard of anyone saying they have problems with the 70-200L at the frame edges....Show more →
Honestly, the "extra weight" won't be that enough if it feels unbalanced now. I would get the battery grip if balance is an issue, that would be the ultimate equalizer.
The 50d is not bad though, you actually get more leeway with cropping on the 50d, since the pixel density is higher.
By the way, if you cropped to 1.6x, you would get the resolution of the 30d at 8.2MP, and not close at all to the 50d... in fact almost half. If you plan on cropping heavily, I would honestly get the 50d.
will be getting a battery grip as well.
The other option is i get a Canon EF 400mm f/5.6L USM at a later date. under a grand for me and coupled with the 1.4 tc i have will be plenty of reach for me even on full frame. then i get the reach and the quality.
Quality is no 1 for me. the reach can be added later. well thats the way i am looking at it.
jaypod wrote:
will be getting a battery grip as well.
The other option is i get a Canon EF 400mm f/5.6L USM at a later date. under a grand for me and coupled with the 1.4 tc i have will be plenty of reach for me even on full frame. then i get the reach and the quality.
Quality is no 1 for me. the reach can be added later. well thats the way i am looking at it.
Except that combo (with the TC) won't AF on any of the bodies you're considering.
