I bought my 5D in the beginning November 2005. I still remember some of my friends telling me: oh, it's just a "20D" with a full frame sensor. (btw, they have all now a 5D)
After a few months, I've started to be very happy with the results of my 5D.
Being more and more confident with my camera, I've started to sale my own pictures and that was the "turning point". I had an agreement with a model agency asking me to shoot portfolios for their models and the results were (honestly) above my expectations. And after that, I was in a period of "trouble": are 12,8 Mpx enough ?
Finally, I took a full shoot with a 1Ds Mark II (16 Mpx ! the dream of "pro" photographers) and now the pictures are archived on a CD and when I throw an eye of them, I say: OMG, they are awful! This camera wasn't made for me. I'm still selling my work (now I'm a part-time photographer) and 99 % of my work is being made with an "old" 5D.
So gentlemen, the 5D is/was a stunning camera. I'm fed up with all comments as "my camera is better than you, you see my 3200/6400/ ISO files how "clean" they are!" or those men making useless tests of high iso files. Would like to see them in a studio, adjusting strobes, flags, light modifiers to have a "nice" light @ 100 iso. I've taken wedding, concerts and fashion pictures and now I'm sure that's not "photography"! (Even if they allow me to earn some money)
Why ? Easy, you don't control anything! You just take pictures praying they will be some nice ones in your memory cards!
They forget what photography really is. Photography means "writing with light" in other words "having (full) control of light"
Of course, now they ask for more resolution -bigger files are better, aren't they ?
The real question is: the successor of my 5D will be able to improve my photography skills ? and the answer is simple: no!
6400 or 12800 iso ? great! but if my composition sucks even with subtle noise it will still suck!
5 or 6 pictures/sec. ? Great! but if I'm not able to "see" the right moment.
Oh damn! My camera hasn't got an integrated flash! My pictures will be awful! You know, I'm a pro but I don't use flashes, they are so expensive and the results are ...-this one is one of the best I've ever read.
So what will have the successor of 5D ?
More resolution: bigger files are better aren't they ? Of course, don't forget to upgrade your computers!
More ISO sensitivity: Yes I want subtle noise, it's better than 'pure' image quality!
It will be faster: 5 or 6 bad pictures/sec are better than 3
a nice LCD screen: it's very important when you print 60 cm x 90 cm images!
Video ? My mobile phone is able to take pictures and video, is it enough to cover a wedding ceremony ?
Finally, comparing my 5D and my 40D, I would be happy if THE successor has the same user interface.
I won't never forget these words from my teacher in Fine Art School:
It's not the tool that makes the craftsman, but a good craftsman is able to choose the good tool.
if you could make an itsy bitsy chip with terrific high iso abilities and 20mp and itsy bitsy lenses to go along with it,
They are called P&S camers and Canon has made 100,000,000 of them. They do have a problem with ISO > 100. And with 20MP/cm^2 and increasing every year, I'm not certain they will get a handle on that any time soon, eventually, yes.
aegipan wrote:
I'm fed up with all comments as "my camera is better than you, you see my 3200/6400/ ISO files how "clean" they are!" or those men making useless tests of high iso files. Would like to see them in a studio, adjusting strobes, flags, light modifiers to have a "nice" light @ 100 iso. I've taken wedding, concerts and fashion pictures and now I'm sure that's not "photography"! (Even if they allow me to earn some money)
Why ? Easy, you don't control anything! You just take pictures praying they will be some nice ones in your memory cards!
They forget what photography really is. Photography means "writing with light" in other words "having (full) control of light" ...Show more →
Bad assumptions there. Not all photography is the same. You're speaking about people photography, weddings and studios. What about wildlife photography? Sports? Wanna "adjust the lighting" there?
Bad assumptions there. Not all photography is the same. You're speaking about people photography, weddings and studios. What about wildlife photography? Sports? Wanna "adjust the lighting" there?
Yes, that isn't "real" photography that's "journalism", the difference between visual communication and artistic expression ...
If Canon do release a new competitive 1Ds III, they sure as hell better offer an upgrade bonus to make it wortwhile.
I think personally at this stage though... It's just a matter of waiting patiently.. I hope that comment about the NDA's expiring on the 12th is true though... Could make for some interesting info in the next 24 hours.
DThom wrote:
Moore's law means that the electronic components inside the camera will get smaller. An entire board will be replaced by one chip as has been done in computers. This will enable very small FF bodies to be made. But, the lenes will still be larger than 1.6 crop lenses. It is the lens/camera size/weight thing that will keep the 1.6 and 4/3 crop cameras around, especially if the micro 4/3 RF type camera gets off the gound and consumers can be convinced that 4 MP/cm^2 will produce better pictures than 20 MP/cm^2 .
This thread is 2 weeks old and has 77 pages. With one week left, it should easily hit 100. More if the teaser adds keep doing the striptease thing....Show more →
Moore's Law refers to the size of transistors in micro-chips. The implications of this aren't smaller chips but more powerful ones. Computer processors have not changed much in shape or size in the past 20 years, but they have certainly gotten more powerful.
DX was a historical anomaly, an economic, not photographic, necessity
No that's not true. I'll try to explain.
Format competition is of all ages. In effect it started with the Leicas with 35mm (cinematic) film in a time when glas plates, in all different sizes and roll film (56mm) in similar diversities was introduced. The success of Leica and 35mm has become lengendary, but the format wars didn't end. We had after formats like half frame (Olympus Pen etc.) 126 (instamatic) 110 (pocket) Disc, photoCD etc. Digital era isn't different. It's now the stage where cameramanufacturers, processing industry and end-users still hang on to some film based standards like full frame 35mm sensors, and the quest for medium format full frame standards, just like we have new standards that have nothing with film history, like four-thirds and micro four thirds and APS-C for instance. It's my opinion that old film standards have come down one step in size vs. market share. What I mean is full frame digital is what medium format was in the past. The Hasselblads, Bronicas, Pentax67, Mamyias etc. have been replaced by Canon's 1Ds-'es (mk any) and a few others that entered full frame in the past (Contax, Kodak 14) or recently Nikon with its FX format and the new Sony. APS-C and all formats circling around this size has become the mainstream that replaced 35mm film market for the greatest part. This is a tight segment with lots of manufacturers and providers. Nikon and Canon have the biggest share now (together over 80%), while in the past the big 5 (Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Pentax and Olympus) had a quite even share of the 35 mm film SLR market. The high end film was view cameras, 8x10, 4x5 etc. this segment still exists as a small niche (this is one of the few areas where film isn't dead yet). This segment has become smaller and of less importance while medium format digiback based photography has taken a new position in this market. Medium format is in effect large format digital.
I am convinced DX is gonna stay for a while and will not disappear soon. It earned its position in the digital market based on economic factors, like scale of production, intrinsic photographic qualities (easier for the masses; for instance the FOV and DOF effects are easier to control for laymen photographers). Full Frame has a good chance to become a bigger segment than it is now if prices come down. It will be the ideal format for quality conscious photographers that recognize and take profit of the greater creative possibilities of the format. I am sure Canon is gonna use these two formats as their mainstream in DSLR's. I would not be surprised if the (near) future would also bring us a different "SLR like" camera = electronic viewfinder image stabilized sensor = (ELVIS comes back ) with no mirror box and a sub APS-C format based camera. There is place in Canon's offerings in the segment on top of the G-series and the Sx-IS series and the bottom end and mid segment of APS-C DSLR. If such a product will ever appear it won't be EOSfun though since that is reserved for cameras with the EF-mount (as you will understand: EF is the abbreviation of EosFun mount ;D )
Thank you for your very detailed answer. I will of course take some time to think through what you say.
By the way, you are what the English call a "Dark Horse", this means you are more than you appear. Usually in your posts, you come across as a fun guy, joking around, and thats fine by me. Then you come out with some pretty impressive stuff "intrinsic photographic qualities", " this segment still exists as a small niche", hmm, and I know from your post on the Canon lens quality forum that you have visited the Canon lens fab in Japan (if my memory serves me).
Now, I know you aren't going to tell us who you are, but I admit I am wondering if you work for Canon. Am I talking rubbish?
I doubt very much if they will keep the 5D name (although it has really established itself) because there are way too many changes and new features - if the rumors are to be believed. If they call it the 5D II then we will not likely get 24 megapixels, full weather sealing, 100% VF, etc.
Moore's Law refers to the size of transistors in micro-chips. The implications of this aren't smaller chips but more powerful ones. Computer processors have not changed much in shape or size in the past 20 years, but they have certainly gotten more powerful.
OK not smaller chips, but overall, fewer chips to do a task. The first CPU was a big room full of tubes. My 1987 286 with 640 KB of RAM & 20MB HDD had dozens of memory chips on a big board and a 1 foot long monochrome graphics board. My core 2 quad with 4 GB RAM has 18 much smaller memory chips and a few graphic chips. The smaller size of the components allows for very large scale integration. You still have one CPU but, one low function board (monchrone graphics) can be replaced by one high function chip that has many more components than the old board. As time progresses, you will have more powerfull Digic processors in a camera but supported by fewer and fewer chips that do more, allowing for smaller size and more features, unless you need a fan and heat sink to cool the Digic VIII.
My Core 2 quad CPU is much larger than the 1MHz 8 bit CPU in my 1982 Apple 2.
I am wondering if you work for Canon. Am I talking rubbish?
In a way, everyone here in the forum working with Canon having EOSfun works for Canon There are a few vinegar pee-ers in this forum who work against Canon. But just like you, I am not on their pay roll if that's what you mean.
I've taken wedding, concerts and fashion pictures and now I'm sure that's not "photography"! (Even if they allow me to earn some money) Why ? Easy, you don't control anything! You just take pictures praying they will be some nice ones in your memory cards! They forget what photography really is. Photography means "writing with light" in other words "having (full) control of light"
Ah, yes. That was written on the third tablet--the one that Moses dropped.
Well I did think that maybe my friend just made up some specs so he didnt get in trouble and maybe the camera is actually really awesome.
I was pretty surprised to hear that the auto focus system hadnt changed from the current 5D since the 40D and 50D have upgraded auto focus do they not?
) with no mirror box and a sub APS-C format based camera. There is place in Canon's offerings in the segment on top of the G-series and the Sx-IS series and the bottom end and mid segment of APS-C DSLR. If such a product will ever appear it won't be EOSfun though since that is reserved for cameras with the EF-mount