globalkiwi wrote:
It's already 9/11 in the USA ... (the evening of, in NYC).
Funny, your posting is dated 9/9. Most people mark 9/11 on Thursday this year. They moved it to Thursday because everyone complained about it falling on a Tuesday last year. I suppose everyone will complain again, and they'll just have to try Friday next year.
There are only a few folks at dpreview total, and no one "tested the new body". How do I know? Phil said so.
Sean Baker wrote:
There are. A few folks at dpreview tested the new body, and I presume a few are here as well but have simply not identified themselves to avoid having to deal with the competing interests. My WAG (wild #$^ guess) based on the slow trickle of information from said individuals would be 21MP / 14bit / 5+ fps / DIGIC IV / sealed (at least partially) / 19pt AF / microadjust / $3k list. To my knowledge, none were told announcement / release date for the final product, but I concur with the assessment that Canon will do so in the next 24-48 hrs in order to 'eclipse' Sony's buzz. As has been hashed out many times here and elsewhere, Canon is far more fearful of Sony than Nikon and will be incredibly aggressive in their stance.
Dan Wright wrote:
Funny, your posting is dated 9/9. Most people mark 9/11 on Thursday this year. They moved it to Thursday because everyone complained about it falling on a Tuesday last year. I suppose everyone will complain again, and they'll just have to try Friday next year.
No they can't have it on a Thursday or a Friday b/c it will interfere with Canon's new product launch!
dcmiller wrote:
There are only a few folks at dpreview total, and no one "tested the new body". How do I know? Phil said so.
Sorry, I should have been more clear - there are multiple folks in the dpreview forums who've tested the new body on Canon's behalf, as I am sure there are here, too. My apologies for the confusion.
The fact Canon is more worried of Sony rather Nikon is disturbing if you're a pro. It shows Canon is more concerned with the high $$$ amature/Serious amature than the much smaller pro market.
eosfun wrote:
OTOH reading his profile he could be shareholder since he owns almost every Canon camera It's strange, he doesn't really radiate the EOSfun indeed
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Hi EOSfun. I am really sorry. But I have to follow James, how stupid it is. The fact is never any companie in the last decade was interested what photographers need. Okay. My issue is IQ. Canon is best in it. Did they ever think about what is best for photograpers? No. They where never really interested in. They just sell their gear. Nikon? Ever interested in best IQ? No. Good enough is good enough. People bought their gear. When they (people) started to stop, they asked the first time for IQ. And started to copy Canon. They are years back in IQ and Nikonians talk about "features" So they do them. Its success. Canon never thought about. Because they had IQ. Its success. Konika and Minolta where not interested in their customers needs either. Sony bought them. Still success. Sony never asked anybody, what is important. Alpha 900 is a mess. They know it and try to make their success by low pricing. They will be successfull! So what?
You are missing EOSfun? Thats what we created, not Canon. People like you and me made Canon successful. Not Product quality. They do not really care about. If japan would be japan like it was 50-100 years ago the eventually some people rensponsible for that AF desaster would have killed themselfes. Today they just learned. They act like US or european businessman and lie around, "There is no prolem!" If I would have been Canon I would have solved the problem and given any customer a new working machine and an additional Lens at about € 5000. :-) For steeling customers time and making them feeling uncomfortable about my product and company. But proud was an earlier japan. Today its just like everywhere. People are customers. Nothing else. They have to spend their money and its good enough, so long they do.
Thank you James. You opened my eyes,
Ralph
Edited by Ralph Conway on Sep 10, 2008 at 10:02 AM GMT
Mark Shaxted wrote:
Canon owners aren't the target market for the new Sony. I haven't looked at at Sony forums, but I bet many ex-Minolta users will be happy they finally have a FF, high res camera. And for 99% of people shooting at ISO400 or less, the A900 will be great.
Having said that, I do feel that maybe Sony have overextended themselves - they should have taken Nikon's lead and tried 12-14mp first, which would have been plenty enough for the vast majority of users.
As to the price of the 5DII, I really haven't got a clue as to where Canon want to market this thing - is it going to be a straight 5D follow on, or intended to occupy a higher 'slot' within their line-up. All I could say for certain is that it won't have less than 15.1mp. I'm not yet convinced it will be 21mp though....Show more →
They are going nowhere. Its just another sony product launch. No Money spend on it. If it sells they are happy. If not they do not care. They just bought some technologie from Companies who did not care for their customers needs and orderd 2 students to creat a new product. That is what it looks like, I am sorry. They even did not care for any existant competitors. That is why there is no nikon 20K+ kamera. Nikon would kill themselves when purchasing a sony sensor. Canon has zhe technologie. They are unique. And therefore blind for thwir customers needs. They wil buy evrerithing. Not because we are good. But because no one is better. Thats sales mantality. If I would be a japanese Kamikaze I would co,e out of mywet grave.
Sean Baker wrote:
Sorry, I should have been more clear - there are multiple folks in the dpreview forums who've tested the new body on Canon's behalf, as I am sure there are here, too. My apologies for the confusion.
Sean
How old are you? No one at dpreview tested the camera and no one here has either.
joeisayo wrote:
The fact Canon is more worried of Sony rather Nikon is disturbing if you're a pro. It shows Canon is more concerned with the high $$$ amature/Serious amature than the much smaller pro market.
After looking at the ISO 3200 and the ISO 400 shots from the 1Ds III and the A900 of the fabrics (both are relative)... There is significantly greater clarity apparent in the 1DsIII shots. That's assuming both were taken within standard conditions. The contrast and general sharpness was far easier to visualise on the 1Ds III images, where there was writing, in the cases where I could not read it on the Alpha's, I could on the Canon's.
That's pixel peeping in a sense though. At the end of the day, it's too early to say.
dcmiller wrote:
How old are you? No one at dpreview tested the camera and no one here has either.
I have no idea what you're after here, but to the extent that perhaps it will answer some lingering question in your mind, I'm 27. And I do know for a fact that folks in the dpreview forum have used the new body and in fact returned it just under a month ago per Canon's original instructions. If, on the other hand, you've reviewed every post in that forum, know every person who posts there, and on that basis can demonstrate otherwise, by all means feel free to enlighten us as to how Canon refuses to test their new products before release. Otherwise I suggest you accept the fact that Canon does have a network of select photographers to whom they provide their new products for pre-release testing, during which period the photographers in question are under a very strict NDA not to discuss the product which they have been provided.
eosfun wrote:
I know that would be EOSfun. But it's a contra dictio in terminis. Pro pricing is high pricing. Since it separates those who make money from photography from those who don't.
Nah - there's a few that will spend a little more money even without the profit motive. Devout hobbyists with a respectable income might splurge for a $3000-4000 camera.
Tom_W wrote:
Nah - there's a few that will spend a little more money even without the profit motive. Devout hobbyists with a respectable income might splurge for a $3000-4000 camera.
Absolutely -- I will. Not right away, but the 5DII or whatever it's called is what I've been waiting for to upgrade. A 1DsIII is way out of my price range for a few more years, but at that point........even as an amateur, i will have the money to spend on it if I feel like it.
digitalbug30d wrote:
well we know now what the Nikon D3x or D4 is going to be...
We have all known for a long time that the D3x/D4 is going to be 25 megapixels .... and I am sure the sensor and processor will be far superior to the A900.
Most people mark 9/11 on Thursday this year. They moved it to Thursday because everyone complained about it falling on a Tuesday last year. I suppose everyone will complain again, and they'll just have to try Friday next year.
It's strange, he doesn't really radiate the EOSfun indeed