Many are referring to the 50D as an upgrade or replacement to the 40D and I view it as a new camera. It has the same body as the 40D but it has a newly developed sensor and processor.
The AF array appears to be the same but we don't know whether new firmware changes may have enhanced the AF sensitivity until it is tested thoroughly.
The AF reference from the article by the Dutch reviewer is in regards to AF acquisition speed not AI Servo speed necessarily. Although he did indicate AI Servo worked well it just wasn't as quick to acquire. He did, however, indicate it worked well with all points activated compared to other cameras he has used.
My mistake,brunobarolo,you're right!!!BUT the idea remains! D3 and D700 ARE PRETTY good at high ISO,but not that good.I SAW so many samples(some of it posted by the owners) and beyond ISO 6400 are pretty bad looking!!! BUT on a crop CAMERA like 50D a value like ISO 12800 sounds VERY,VERY PROMISSING!!!WHEN 5D2 WILL come,it will be a KILLER!!!!
brunobarolo wrote:
You may be right, Brainiac, but these crops proove nothing.
Obviously these are jpgs with heavy noise reduction applied on the D3 shot and little or none on the 1Ds3. Consequently the D3 looks blurry, and the 1Ds3 looks noisy.
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But NR can't be turned off on the Nikon. It's the only comparison by Nikon's choice. I don't find the 1DsIII image particularly noisey.
gabimaster wrote:
My mistake,brunobarolo,you're right!!!BUT the idea remains! D3 and D700 ARE PRETTY good at high ISO,but not that good.I SAW so many samples(some of it posted by the owners) and beyond ISO 6400 are pretty bad looking!!! BUT on a crop CAMERA like 50D a value like ISO 12800 sounds VERY,VERY PROMISSING!!!WHEN 5D2 WILL come,it will be a KILLER!!!!
The utility of the D3 high ISO is people shooting for deadline. That's where the very high ISO NR makes sense.
That's right - deadlines. I shoot a lot of very high iso with my 1Ds3, but I would really like a 6400 and 12800 setting for in camera jpegs, with built-in noise reduction instead of always having to shoot raw at 3200 and -2. The 50D suggests that we can expect those features in the next generation. So Canon is playing catch-up in features and usage, but not in the sensor itself. With clever noise reduction I think we're going to see a real leap in usable high isos, and rediscover the fact that Canon still leads in sensor/iso.
dcmiller wrote:
But NR can't be turned off on the Nikon. It's the only comparison by Nikon's choice. I don't find the 1DsIII image particularly noisey.
Sure, a valid comparison can only be done with raw files.
And you're right, the 1Ds3 crop doesn't look bad at all for ISO 3200.
DCMILLER,maybe you're right!I am a wedding photographer,so I WAS thinking by myself and others like me!!! QUALITY COMES FIRST!!!! I think A 5DMK2 with the 50D technology will be the most loved DSLR by the wedding phtographers!!!!
Is this about the sample RAW files mentioned in this thread (since I didn't read thru all the threads)?? - if not, this is NOT TRUE. When NR is turned off, it is not applied to the RAW capture. This applies for the D3/700/300. I have all three and when NR is OFF, it is not applied to the RAW capture. Where did you get this information?
dcmiller wrote:
Nikon has applied the NR to the RAW files before they are written to the card. There are no Nikon RAW files without NR.
JPEG's from the NIKON's DSLR's were always a lot softer( especially D300,D3 and D700-the latest generation),because their sensors are not that good like CANON's chips,so the EXPEED procesor must "wash them well"to look clean, clean but soft and with a lot of loss of detail!!!
Ronnie_W wrote:
He wrote that the "one shot mode" is fast, not servo.
Yes, but later he adds
"Till min förvåning lyckades den nya EOS 50D med 70-200/2,8- respektive 300/2,8-gluggarna ganska väl följa trutarna även när jag hade alla AF-punkter inkopplade. Jag tror inte det fungerar alltid, men detta var klart bättre än på någon tidigare kamera jag prövat. "
Which roughly translates into
To my surpise the new EOS50D with 70-200/2,8- and 300/2,8 managed to follow the birds (trouts?) also when I had all focus points activated. I don't think it works always but this was better than on any other camera I have tried" [which includes 1D/Ds III, II, etc, my remark].
For various reasons, one can hope Canon has a new and better AF algorithm and that they are testing it in this "low" model before implementing it in 1D series cameras.
Nikon does not apply NR to their RAW files. Only Sony does that.
The D3/D700 sensor is genuinely better than most Canon sensors, except for the one on the 1Ds3. But that's no biggie now... especially with the upcoming 50D. It'll really be a joke if the 50D outresolves and equals the noise performance of the Nikon 12 MP FF sensors at high ISO. Seriously. It took Nikon several years before they could come up with a sensible sensor design (recall the awful Labcast debacle?). If the 50D performs as promised, it'll send the Nikon engineers back to their drawing boards for the next 5 years again.
i'm kind of a fan of the duelling system, sans pistolas. if someone wants to prove that their sensor is superior, then post an off the shelf picture that demonstrates this.
gabimaster wrote:
JPEG's from the NIKON's DSLR's were always a lot softer( especially D300,D3 and D700-the latest generation),because their sensors are not that good like CANON's chips,so the EXPEED procesor must "wash them well"to look clean, clean but soft and with a lot of loss of detail!!!
It has absolutely nothing to do with Nikon's/Sony's sensors being lesser sensors than Canon's, rather everything to do with Nikon's implementation of in camera noise reduction.
thw2 wrote:
It took Nikon several years before they could come up with a sensible sensor design (recall the awful Labcast debacle?). If the 50D performs as promised, it'll send the Nikon engineers back to their drawing boards for the next 5 years again.
Nikon is obviously doing a lot better than the LBCAST days. But by "correcting" noise rather than making a very accurate measurements the files are not going to be as good as Canons. But Nikon will use third parties, Canon will not. Thats fine until someone has a better design than Canon and Nikon buys it.
dcmiller wrote:
Nikon is obviously doing a lot better than the LBCAST days. But by "correcting" noise rather than making a very accurate measurements the files are not going to be as good as Canons. But Nikon will use third parties, Canon will not. Thats fine until someone has a better design than Canon and Nikon buys it.
Agree on the noise correction issue. As to the third party sensor provider situation, maybe Nikon should just buy their sensors from Canon?
That was what I mentioned the last weeks when people where moaning: "OMG - Canon is out of the race, Nikon is better!"
It was no great innovation, when Nikon came with an excellent sensor at least to reach Canons 3 year old standard (set with Digic II, with higher resolution) and add a two stop further high ISO performence. But let´s wait for real pictures. The futur shows up If the 50Ds sensor can hold with them.
If it can (even with nearly with even 3 MP higher resolution AND a 1,6 crop sensor only) the coming FF will blow away competitors in case of IQ. It would be better even with 30MPs (I still wish 16MP).
Is this about the sample RAW files mentioned in this thread (since I didn't read thru all the threads)?? - if not, this is NOT TRUE. When NR is turned off, it is not applied to the RAW capture. This applies for the D3/700/300. I have all three and when NR is OFF, it is not applied to the RAW capture. Where did you get this information?
up to Canon. Great job what they did anyway.