Anyone else thinking about an eventual 1Ds MK4 with the pixel density of the 50D? Somehting like 38 megapixels, and by then with HD video and ISO 12800 native?
brainiac wrote:
Whenever Microsoft does deals, it is not good for us. It is about controlling and milking markets for every penny no matter how chilling it is on freedom to innovate. Every product you buy is more expensive because the world's software is stuck in 1993. Every tech product you buy is five years behind where it would be if MS had not been able to suck the blood out of the world's economy. For every billion MS has made it has caused 10-100 billion of damage, at least, to world markets, because software is an efficiency lever. Software and networks are a long long way behind where they would be now if one company had not been allowed to break the law. This has cost all of us, but the world's poor have paid the highest price. Gates is not a philanthropist: his pile of cash isn't big enough to even begin paying for how much his companies illegal activities have cost the world. Deals with MS remain a great loss to all of us....Show more →
I'm not the biggest or even a M$ fan at all. But M$ did what illegally? Force IE on us. Sure that could be considered a crime in some circles but it surely didn't cause several hundred billion dollars of damage.
Last time I checked, we (US and EU) were free market economies. Build a better mousetrap AND market it properly and people will buy it.
Based on your assertions JVC et al, acted illegally by driving Beta out of the market.
Sony the same with Bluray vs HD-DVD.
But yet in both cases the market decided which survived.
When M$ started out, you had IBM and...........IBM for personal computers. IBM failed to see the future of PCs and so on a daring venture Bill Gates and Co. created M$ and their version of DOS.
Then came Windows, Apple had a Mac GUI which in all ways was superior at the time. IBM launched OS/2. Both OS/2 and the Mac OS were better than Windows.
Consumers had a choice, pay a lot for Mac or use Windows or OS/2. The consumers decided to go with Windows.
So while Apple decided to go the Sony Beta route and not license the software (a poor decision that is still a poor decision today) and the Unix community could not get together and make one really good distribution, M$ prospered. Again the consumer voted with their $$$.
It's not M$'s fault that Apple made and still makes poor business decisions in order for Steve Jobs to maintain his tight fisted, egomaniacal control or that the Unix community STILL cannot come together.
M$ was voted into power by a worldwide consensus of MONEY. The consumer is now getting what they paid for whether they like it or not.
And Steve Jobs still drinks too much of his own Cool-Aid.
Il Medico wrote:
I'm not the biggest or even a M$ fan at all. But M$ did what illegally? Force IE on us. Sure that could be considered a crime in some circles but it surely didn't cause several hundred billion dollars of damage.
Last time I checked, we (US and EU) were free market economies. Build a better mousetrap AND market it properly and people will buy it.
Based on your assertions JVC et al, acted illegally by driving Beta out of the market.
Sony the same with Bluray vs HD-DVD.
But yet in both cases the market decided which survived.
When M$ started out, you had IBM and...........IBM for personal computers. IBM failed to see the future of PCs and so on a daring venture Bill Gates and Co. created M$ and their version of DOS.
Then came Windows, Apple had a Mac GUI which in all ways was superior at the time. IBM launched OS/2. Both OS/2 and the Mac OS were better than Windows.
Consumers had a choice, pay a lot for Mac or use Windows or OS/2. The consumers decided to go with Windows.
So while Apple decided to go the Sony Beta route and not license the software (a poor decision that is still a poor decision today) and the Unix community could not get together and make one really good distribution, M$ prospered. Again the consumer voted with their $$$.
It's not M$'s fault that Apple made and still makes poor business decisions in order for Steve Jobs to maintain his tight fisted, egomaniacal control or that the Unix community STILL cannot come together.
M$ was voted into power by a worldwide consensus of MONEY. The consumer is now getting what they paid for whether they like it or not.
And Steve Jobs still drinks too much of his own Cool-Aid.
1) I didn't mention Apple. I mentioned a convicted monopolist.
2) Microsoft broke the law. That's a fact. Unfortunately the punishment has not been commensurate with the results of the crime.
3) Microsoft's major crime was not to kill Netscape unfairly and illegally, which it did, but to force IBM-compatible PC vendors to sell Microsoft software to the exclusion of all others. Vendors were implicitly made to understand that to sell any other operating system would mean that they could no longer sell PC's with Windows installed. In the US, and most civilised countries, it is illegal to abuse your market dominance in that way.
4) Microsoft has been convicted of deliberately hindering a free market.
5) JVC and Beta is a different case. Drawing an analogy only serves to confuse the specific facts of this crime.
6) The market frequently reaches the wrong conclusions due to influences that are contrary to the philosophy of a free market. The Stephenson gauge and the QWERTY keyboard are two examples that illustrate the costs of allowing a market to be controlled against its interest.
> Consumers had a choice, pay a lot for Mac or use Windows or OS/2. The consumers decided to go with Windows.
7) Unfortunately consumers didn't get their arithmetic right. The anti-competitive practices of a convicted monopoly helped them not to do their sums.
> M$ was voted into power by a worldwide consensus of MONEY. The consumer is now getting what they paid for whether they like it or not.
8) No - MS broke the law of many countries, cynically, because it thought that it would get away with it.
> It's not M$'s fault that Apple made and still makes poor business decisions...
9) Leave Apple out of this. I am talking about a free market in operating system and application software.
> And Steve Jobs still drinks too much of his own Cool-Aid.
10) But look at the share price since he took over.
jamesf99 wrote:
Sorry Keith, but I'm going with AJ on this one. Other than a new, and unproven sensor, in what way does the 50d compete with the D300? The only way I can think of at this point is on price as they both can be purchased for under $2k US. I have no idea what the 50d will be like in the real world, but on paper nothing else about the 50d is special IMO....
Again, the sensor may prove to be the best thing about it, but what else? Perhaps you can enlighten me on this....
PS - and PLEASE don't mention lens AF tuning... Yukkk....Canon should just improve their lens QA out the door if there's so much variability it doesn't work.......Show more →
butif the sensor is as good as they claim, that's hardly a minor improvement over the D300 (which IMO has a worse if not wildly worse sensor than the 40D)
"I'm not the biggest or even a M$ fan at all. But M$ did what illegally?"
they were pretty dirty fighters, whether to the point of being illegal, I don't know (but I seem to recall they did).
"Last time I checked, we (US and EU) were free market economies. Build a better mousetrap AND market it properly and people will buy it. "
they built an inferior mousetrap and got people to buy it.
"When M$ started out, you had IBM and...........IBM for personal computers. IBM failed to see the future of PCs and so on a daring venture Bill Gates and Co. created M$ and their version of DOS.
Then came Windows, Apple had a Mac GUI which in all ways was superior at the time. IBM launched OS/2. Both OS/2 and the Mac OS were better than Windows. "
you are forgetting companies such as Atari and Commodore which actually had some much better stuff and pioneered the usage of custom chipset for audio and video and the latter even had a pre-emptive multi-tasking OS as far back as 1984! What did MS have at that time?! The Amiga OS and hardware, ven the Atari HW, made all the Apple and MS stuff look pretty primitive in comparision. (heck Apple and MS even used Amiga behind the scenes to run some of their shows to promote their own products. hah!)
and MS and Apple did some pretty underhanded things and that coupled with horrible management at the other various superior companies and some other stuff sadly lent to the worst company doing the best and the next to worst the next best.
"It's not M$'s fault that Apple made and still makes poor business decisions in order for Steve Jobs to maintain his tight fisted, egomaniacal control or that the Unix community STILL cannot come together. "
Unix is old and outdated.
MS and Apple did sucha good job you dont' even seem to be away of the other OS such as AmigaDos and BeOS and others that blew all three of those away.
I just put apple stickers all over my pc, that way people think I'm cool and I don't have to pay for it. So, tell me some more about the 50D. Or whatever this thread was about.
By the way, I do have very serious evidence that the new 5D successor (couldn't even get a name) will be announced next week. Of course my source is under an NDA, but they did tell me I wouldn't be dissapointed.
tanglefoot47 wrote:
I thought this was a photography forum not computers? I also thought this post was about the 50D?
DSLR are more computer than camera. Yes, they have a lens and a shutter and an image sensor. Beyond that it's a very custom computer. Heck, early Canon DSLR ran a variation of DOS, and Nikon used a commonly available variation of RTOS software developed in Japan and used in many electronic equipment.
Soooooooo.... Computers, DSLR, not much difference.
AJ Nadershahi wrote:
DSLR are more computer than camera. Yes, they have a lens and a shutter and an image sensor. Beyond that it's a very custom computer. Heck, early Canon DSLR ran a variation of DOS, and Nikon used a commonly available variation of RTOS software developed in Japan and used in many electronic equipment.
Soooooooo.... Computers, DSLR, not much difference.
Yes we all know that but come on your playing on words now. I would love to see you take your PC out and shoot some flying birds Myself I see a huge difference
I don't see how anyone could honestly tell you without actually shooting with a 50D and since it isn't out yet I'd say anyone making claims about the 50D are making things. Also the people who got prerelease bodies are probably embargoed from posting images until they get a production body, so even they can't say what the IQ will be like.
