Desmolicious wrote:
That's because that's the problem with Delta 3200, TMAX 3200 etc. They are natively ISO 800-1000 films so if you shoot at 3200, you need to push process 2 stops.
My own testing indicated that his is indeed true: 1000 for Delta 3200 and 800 for TMAX 3200. I've settled on Delta 3200 not just because I prefer its grain but also because it's available in both 35mm and 120 rollfilm.
genji wrote:
My own testing indicated that his is indeed true: 1000 for Delta 3200 and 800 for TMAX 3200. I've settled on Delta 3200 not just because I prefer its grain but also because it's available in both 35mm and 120 rollfilm.
From Ilford’s data sheet that you can download on their website:
DELTA 3200 Professional has an ISO speed rating of 1000/31° (1000ASA, 31 DIN) to daylight. The ISO speed was measured using ILFORD ID-11 developer at 20°C/68°F with intermittent agitation in a spiral tank. It should be noted that exposure index (EI) range recommended for DELTA 3200 Professional is based on a practical evaluation of film speed and is not based on foot speed, as is the ISO standard.
Curiously the only place it is mentioned is there. All ‘obvious’ places says 3200.
Desmolicious wrote:
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From Ilford’s data sheet that you can download on their website:
DELTA 3200 Professional has an ISO speed rating of 1000/31° (1000ASA, 31 DIN) to daylight. The ISO speed was measured using ILFORD ID-11 developer at 20°C/68°F with intermittent agitation in a spiral tank. It should be noted that exposure index (EI) range recommended for DELTA 3200 Professional is based on a practical evaluation of film speed and is not based on foot speed, as is the ISO standard.
Curiously the only place it is mentioned is there. All ‘obvious’ places says 3200.
Even the DMX code is 3200; I've successfully used it at 3200 and have no intention of using it at 1000; there are other, cheaper films I can use for the 800-1600 range. To me the whole point of this film is to shoot it at 3200 or 6400 and develop accordingly. My lab develops it for the prescribed time at 3200 unless I indicate otherwise. By default they develop everything at box speed, and box speed for this film is 3200. That's what's "on the box" and in the DMX code.
Ilford's data sheet also says "The recommended meter setting for DELTA 3200 Professional is EI 3200/36, but good image quality can also be obtained at meter settings from EI 400/27 to EI 6400/39. It can be used in all types of lighting. DELTA 3200 Professional is particularly recommended for exposing in the range EI 1600/33 to EI 6400/39. It can be exposed at ratings up to EI 25000/45, but it is important to make test exposures first to ensure the results will be suitable for the intended purpose."
bjhurley wrote:
Even the DMX code is 3200; I've successfully used it at 3200 and have no intention of using it at 1000; there are other, cheaper films I can use for the 800-1600 range. To me the whole point of this film is to shoot it at 3200 or 6400 and develop accordingly. My lab develops it for the prescribed time at 3200 unless I indicate otherwise. By default they develop everything at box speed, and box speed for this film is 3200. That's what's "on the box" and in the DMX code.
Ilford's data sheet also says "The recommended meter setting for DELTA 3200 Professional is EI 3200/36, but good image quality can also be obtained at meter settings from EI 400/27 to EI 6400/39. It can be used in all types of lighting. DELTA 3200 Professional is particularly recommended for exposing in the range EI 1600/33 to EI 6400/39. It can be exposed at ratings up to EI 25000/45, but it is important to make test exposures first to ensure the results will be suitable for the intended purpose."...Show more →
As you mention ‘and develop accordingly’. That’s the whole point. To get 3200 you need to push 2 stops developing. If you don’t, it will look like a 1000 film underexposed by two stops.
Every lab I have had this film developed at (before I started doing it myself) asked my at what ISO I shot it at. If you say box speed they know they need to push developing.
Same for TMAX 3200. That is why Ilford actually says Delta 3200 is a 1000 iso film. I have had better results - less grain, more detail - pushing HP5 and Kentmere 400 than using the 3200 films. And the dev process is the same in the fact that with all of them if you rate them at 3200 you need to push process!
So I use the cheaper films which give me better results. If you want the super grainy look of the ‘3200’ films, then that is a different reason to use them.
Desmolicious wrote:
As you mention ‘and develop accordingly’. That’s the whole point. To get 3200 you need to push 2 stops developing. If you don’t, it will look like a 1000 film underexposed by two stops.
Every lab I have had this film developed at (before I started doing it myself) asked my at what ISO I shot it at. If you say box speed they know they need to push developing.
Yep, they push-process but since 3200 is box speed they don't charge extra for pushing. That's the way this film is normally developed.
I think the main advantage to using the ISO 3200 films is you can get less contrast/more tonality when pushing since you're not pushing them as far as a 400-speed film, but I'll try some other films and push them to see how it goes. Delta 3200 is certainly less grainy in medium format than 35mm!
One nice thing about XP2 is that you can shoot it at 800 or 1600 (and even 3200 under some conditions) and have the lab process normally in C-41, no push-processing required I've shot it at 800 pretty frequently and 1600 once or twice and it's usable.
If anyone is looking for an Olympus point-and-shoot and maybe, if you're interested in a trade, I just posted mine to the B&S board. Sure would be nice to trade for something old but new to me...
geekcop wrote:
If anyone is looking for an Olympus point-and-shoot and maybe, if you're interested in a trade, I just posted mine to the B&S board. Sure would be nice to trade for something old but new to me...
I know I’ve mentioned this a bunch of times, but another reminder that the Samsung AF Slim R is NOT an improved version of the AF Slim, but a worse, cheapened out version. Different, poorer quality lens, much more limited shutter speed range.
Looking forward to seeing pics from your Oly Stylus Zoom!
I akshully got two shots of that Pittie. I had my two dogs with me (hence carrying a P&S camera) but I was still so tempted to pet that lil guy. He was totally silent the entire time, just staring sadly... Or perhaps he was giving me those puppy eyes so he could taste the other other white meat.
I am a bit bummed that there is a little camera shake in this pic. Because RiRi yanked his leash as I pushed the shutter button.
As the French would say, such is life.
