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p.1 #1 · A lens for full body shots?



Looking for something of high quality to couple with a full frame body (5D and 1Ds Mark III).. I tend to always shoot close up (headshots, 1/2 body) but need to expand my style.

I can't afford the 85 II 1.2... ;o)

Any suggestions would be great... Thanks

Bryan
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Apr 27, 2008 at 04:17 PM
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p.1 #2 · A lens for full body shots?


maybe it would help to know what i do have:
50 1.8 (plastic fantastic)
135 2.0L
70-200L 2.8 IS
24-105L f4.0 IS

I know I could use the 24-105... but would like to have a high quality prime if possible... and not really sure what is the best range for full body... i just never shoot that way for some unknown reason to me.. ;o)



Apr 27, 2008 at 04:25 PM
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p.1 #3 · A lens for full body shots?


35L seems to best fit your needs...I'm sure others can elaborate.


Apr 27, 2008 at 04:26 PM
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p.1 #4 · A lens for full body shots?


I second the 35L. Actually, you almost don't have a choice if you have a high quality prime :-)
On a budget I'd try 35 f/2 and 50 CM.



Apr 27, 2008 at 04:29 PM
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p.1 #5 · A lens for full body shots?


35L or 35 f/2, depending on buget.


Apr 27, 2008 at 04:32 PM
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p.1 #6 · A lens for full body shots?


thanks... i never even considered the 35...see how much help I need?


Apr 27, 2008 at 04:39 PM
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p.1 #7 · A lens for full body shots?


^^ what they said


Apr 27, 2008 at 04:39 PM
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p.1 #8 · A lens for full body shots?


As above, either Canon 35mm should serve on FF.Use your 24-105 set at 35mm
for awhile and see if it achieves what you have in mind. Good luck.



Apr 27, 2008 at 07:18 PM
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p.1 #9 · A lens for full body shots?


Don't worry about not being able to afford the 85L... it's too long for practical use with full-body portraits anyway. You have to figure out how far away from your subjects you want to position the camera. Use your 24-105 zoom to take some full body shots of people of various heights, and see what focal length you're working with most often. Then you can pick the right lens.

At the risk of irritating some folks who have seen my comments about this topic before, I'll copy/paste some stuff from other threads that might be useful to you regarding perspective and compression for portraits:

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Remember that in terms of facial perspective, it makes zero difference what the focal length is; what matters is the camera to subject distance. Perspective is a function of distance, not focal length. Focal length only ties into it when you normalize subject size in the frame -- doing so will put you at different camera/subject distances for different focal lengths.
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A good friend of mine from college was working in the 'sitting room' -- a studio area set up for portraiture for our college photography classes. You brought your own camera, but there was a good selection of hot lights and strobes to choose from, as well as backgrounds, chairs, stools, etc. He needed subjects for his class assignment, so I volunteered. I'm of Italian descent, and have a typical 'Roman' nose -- meaning it's larger than average. My friend decided that in order to flatten my features a bit, he would use his 135 mm lens for head shots. He set everything up, and took the head shots.

Now he wants to do a full-body portrait. The stool I had been sitting on goes away, the background and lights are changed a bit, and I'm standing there. I'm 6' 2" tall. My friend started backing up the tripod, checking the view through the viewfinder as he moved back. Unfortunately he backed up right into the back wall of the studio and still couldn't get me entirely within the frame -- not even close, unfortunately. I suggested he'd just have to use a shorter lens, like a 50.

"Sorry, bud," he said to me, "but I don't want to emphasize that nose of yours any more than I have to."

Now this was kind of funny, because my nose isn't that big -- I'm no Jimmy Durante. But he used to like to joke around about it. Anyway, he did end up changing to a shorter lens - a zoom, positioned almost right against the back wall, and zoomed to as long a focal length as possible, probably somewhere around 60 or 70 mm. "Well, it's not into the pleasing range, but it'll have to do." (He considered the "pleasing range" to be 85 - 135 mm.)

You see where I'm going with this? He presented his portraits in class, and mentioned how he "ran out of room" in the studio and couldn't use a long enough lens to get a pleasing perspective for the standing full-body shots. Our professor asked him to take a look at the pics and identify which shots exhibited more facial compression. Without looking, he said, "the head shots, of course."

Professor tells him again -- "look at the photos, tell me which ones show more facial compression."

He looks carefully at the photos he had shot, developed and printed himself just a few days before. "I don't understand. It looks like there's more compression in the shots I took with the shorter lens." Thus my friend and I were the "example to the class" about how lenses don't impart 'perspective' or 'compression' on a scene -- that in reality, it's subject to camera distance.

The point here is that my friend could have saved a lot of hassle and gotten the same pleasing facial compression for my 'big nose' if he had left the tripod planted exactly where it was for the head shots and just switched to a short lens, like a 28, for the full body shots. He didn't understand this important concept -- and neither did I, at the time.

This is actually a poorly-understood concept, even among photography enthusiasts. There have been long threads about it here in the past. I don't know if the OP knew it or not, but since he was asking about how suitable the 35 mm focal length was for portraits, I thought it was worth mentioning it. If he already knew, then it just serves as a reminder. If he didn't know, then maybe by explaining it I can save him some future concern or hassle.
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Edited on Apr 27, 2008 at 08:25 PM



Apr 27, 2008 at 08:23 PM
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p.1 #10 · A lens for full body shots?


Thanks moondigger. Very educational.


Apr 28, 2008 at 12:57 AM
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p.1 #11 · A lens for full body shots?


If you are talking fashion-style full length the usual lens would be a bit longer than standard - an 85 1.8 or a 100 f2 would achieve a nice perspective.

If you want blurred backgounds than 135 F2 or 200 2.8.

Personally, I would consider a 35mm to be too short, but that might suit your style.

David



Apr 28, 2008 at 01:57 AM
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p.1 #12 · A lens for full body shots?


35 will make people look funny

stick to your 50MM and take two steps back.

or shoot at 70mm with your 70-200 and take 4 steps back

;-)



Apr 28, 2008 at 03:52 AM
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p.1 #13 · A lens for full body shots?


mrd08 wrote:
35 will make people look funny


YMMV, but as long as you keep "some" distance 35mm works great. Full body should present no challenge.

I wouldn't recommend using a 35mm for head or head and sholder shots, that is close up. That's the working distance where you'll enjoy having a short tele, or if space is an issue a 50mm lens.



Apr 28, 2008 at 05:33 AM
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p.1 #14 · A lens for full body shots?


dhphoto wrote:
If you are talking fashion-style full length the usual lens would be a bit longer than standard - an 85 1.8 or a 100 f2 would achieve a nice perspective.
If you want blurred backgounds than 135 F2 or 200 2.8.

mrd08 wrote:
35 will make people look funny
stick to your 50MM and take two steps back.
or shoot at 70mm with your 70-200 and take 4 steps back


The lens does not impart or achieve 'perspective.' 35 mm will not make people look "funny" if the distance between camera and subject is adequate - say, the same working distance you would have for head shots at 100 or 135 mm. Only the distance between the camera and the subject matters. See my (rather long) post above.

135 and 200 mm are ridiculously long for full-body shots; 85 and 100 mm aren't much better, especially if working indoors. Even 70 mm could be too long, depending on other factors. 50 would probably work, but it depends on the size of your working area and the heights of your subjects.

Edited on Apr 28, 2008 at 06:07 AM



Apr 28, 2008 at 06:05 AM





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