Arguably Canon could continue retailing the "old" 5D for around the same $2000 price it is at now.
That would entail keeping the old DIGIC II production line open, which I strongly doubt Canon is going to do. Given advances in technology, each DIGIC II is probably more expensive to produce than each DIGIC III.
More likely than that-- I'm not saying certainly, but more likely than continuing the current 5D--is that Canon would introduce a less expensive 24x36mm sensor camera along with a $3000+ advanced 5D.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
No matter what the FF sensor still costs a lot more than a 1/5x or 1.6x crop sensor. How much do you think a D300 would cost with a FF sensor? Given the price of the D3 it's impossible for Nikon to argue it could be less than $3K or they would have to admit the D3 is a ripoff.
Agreed... the D300 is a baby D3 in so many respects that Nikon has sorta boxed itself into a corner price-wise (well, I'm sure they have a master plan but I like to sound knowledgeable). Put a FF sensor in a D300 and it's 90% a D3, so it probably ain't gonna be cheap.
However, with the speed that Nikon D-series bodies depreciate maybe that's a moot point
I'd love to see Canon split the 5D into two new FF bodies, one at $1800 (essentially a 40D with 12MP FF sensor) and one at about $3K (the rumored, souped-up 5D2). Probably won't come to pass, but here's hoping.
The 1Ds Mk 111 at 21MP is the highest end FF to date. From a photographer's point of view that's a luxury not required except for demanding commercial photography that requires huge enlargements. Or simply rich photo connoisseurs.
I think Canon would most likely settle for a mid-range FF, say anything from 13 to 15 MP, something that is affordable ... a People's FF DSLR. It would not be surprising if Canon brew a storm by lowering the prices.
Venus wrote:
The 211Ds Mk 111 is the highest end FF to date. From a photographer's point of view that's a luxury not required except for demanding commercial photography.
Yes, but by the end of the year we will likely have high end Nikon D3x as well as Sony a900, both with a 24mp full frame sensor.
I think ten months from now, things will be very different. At the moment the 5D replacement is not far away and everyone is waiting. Who know? By next year FF sensors may well rule but given the huge amount of smaller sized lenses being produced for the large number of non-FF DSLRs, that market will always survive.
Yakim Peled wrote:
I understood that the A900 will be the 5D Mk II rival rather than a 1Ds Mk III rival. Hopefully we'll know soon.
Yes, from the price point of view it will be apparently competing with the 5D2. Feature-wise I guess we do not know yet, but I feel that [if the rumors are true] this is the reason why Canon will do such a non-Canon thing as putting pro-AF and weather sealing in the 5D2
Fred Relaix wrote:
Venus wrote:
The 211Ds Mk 111 is the highest end FF to date. From a photographer's point of view that's a luxury not required except for demanding commercial photography.
Yes, but by the end of the year we will likely have high end Nikon D3x as well as Sony a900, both with a 24mp full frame sensor.
I understood that the A900 will be the 5D Mk II rival rather than a 1Ds Mk III rival. Hopefully we'll know soon.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim Peled wrote:
I understood that the A900 will be the 5D Mk II rival rather than a 1Ds Mk III rival. Hopefully we'll know soon.
Yes, from the price point of view it will be apparently competing with the 5D2. Feature-wise I guess we do not know yet, but I feel that [if the rumors are true] this is the reason why Canon will do such a non-Canon thing as putting pro-AF and weather sealing in the 5D2
Any Sony FF with 24 MP will compete directly with 1Ds Mk111. The 5D replacement will not have that kind of MP. Sony is aiming to cut directly into the premium professional's share of the market and knowing Sony if they have decided to get into battle, they are out to win. By the looks of it, Sony is already committed to the fight. It is no secret that Sony has tremendous resources and the recognition that the future of photography belongs to the digital realm, that market is huge, too huge for a giant like to Sony to ignore. The next twelve months will be full of excitement and surprises. What a wonderful time to live in this splendid epoch.
RDKirk wrote:
That would entail keeping the old DIGIC II production line open, which I strongly doubt Canon is going to do. Given advances in technology, each DIGIC II is probably more expensive to produce than each DIGIC III.
More likely than that-- I'm not saying certainly, but more likely than continuing the current 5D--is that Canon would introduce a less expensive 24x36mm sensor camera along with a $3000+ advanced 5D.
if the rebel line is any indication, the digic II production line will be open for a while since canon has indicated that the xti will continue ( at least for a while) as a current product when the digic III driven xsi hits the market next month. the franchise that canon has built with the 5d is huge, and if you look at the numbers of people who have bought them since the price has been dropping and even in the face of rumors about replacements and the newer features such as live view and 14 bit processing, it may be that the 5d becomes the rebel of ff oferings.
Venus wrote:
Fred Relaix wrote:
Venus wrote:
The 211Ds Mk 111 is the highest end FF to date. From a photographer's point of view that's a luxury not required except for demanding commercial photography.
Yes, but by the end of the year we will likely have high end Nikon D3x as well as Sony a900, both with a 24mp full frame sensor.
I understood that the A900 will be the 5D Mk II rival rather than a 1Ds Mk III rival. Hopefully we'll know soon.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim Peled wrote:
I understood that the A900 will be the 5D Mk II rival rather than a 1Ds Mk III rival. Hopefully we'll know soon.
Yes, from the price point of view it will be apparently competing with the 5D2. Feature-wise I guess we do not know yet, but I feel that [if the rumors are true] this is the reason why Canon will do such a non-Canon thing as putting pro-AF and weather sealing in the 5D2
Any Sony FF with 24 MP will compete directly with 1Ds Mk111. The 5D replacement will not have that kind of MP. Sony is aiming to cut directly into the premium professional's share of the market and knowing Sony if they have decided to get into battle, they are out to win. By the looks of it, Sony is already committed to the fight. It is no secret that Sony has tremendous resources and the recognition that the future of photography belongs to the digital realm, that market is huge, too huge for a giant like to Sony to ignore. The next twelve months will be full of excitement and surprises. What a wonderful time to live in this splendid epoch. ...Show more →
Not so. The number of MP has nothing to do with the camera being pro or not. For example, my 1D has 4 MP and it is a pro body. The 1D Mk III is 10 MP and it is a pro body. My 40D has 10 MP and it is a consumer body. Need I write some examples?
Well, I would love to see the 5D replaced by a full frame version of the excellent 40D, at a reasonable price point.
Personally I need Live View, and am very impressed with the 40D's sensor cleaning technology, and the current 5D doesn't possess these features. Furthermore I am mainly interested in low light photography, and would really prefer a more modern sensor chip to take advantage of the inevitable technical advances of the last few years.
In the highly unlikely event that Canon ever read this post, guys I've got the money saved up in my bank account, ready to go. Please could you release the 3D asap.
David Baldwin :
If your are into low light photography you should try the existing 5D it is light years better than the 40D in low light. It may be a so called old camera but not much out there yet can beat it in low light
Well.. maybe not "light" years... But significantly better...
I'd just like to add that I'd prefer them to keep the same Mpix if raising it causes any increase in high ISO noise. If not, raising is just fine by me. FF and clean high ISO are my 2 big requirements. Of course, better AF and sensor cleaning would be nice....
The sensor cleaning seems to be working well.. My sister's 40D and my Mark III have been very clean, where my 5D is dirty most of the time....
pipspeak wrote:
What about focus? Nice to have good low light IQ but no good if it's OOF. How does the 5D AF perform in low light omcpared to 40D?
Fine. 40D isn't all that in the AF department...
The 5D using center point AF was actually faster in lowlight focus than my MKIIN. Not as good as MKIII though. 5D AI Servo is not very good though. Haven't used the 40D in servo yet.
I shoot in very low-light environments nearly every weekend... Not with servo however. When servo is necessary I switch to the MKIII regardless of light.
