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p.1 #1 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


How much would a decent to good indoor studio setup cost? I am not talking about the best money can buy, but more for someone on a budget. Looking for the cost of quality stuff (lights, backdrop, etc.), and it can be used or new pricing. Thanks a lot.

Edited on Feb 13, 2008 at 06:49 PM



Feb 13, 2008 at 06:32 PM
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p.1 #2 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


I have about $20K invested in my setup and it's nowhere near as swanky as some.


Feb 13, 2008 at 07:54 PM
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p.1 #3 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


*whistles*

I couldn't imagine ... at least, not at this point in my life! Thanks TJ.



Feb 13, 2008 at 07:58 PM
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p.1 #4 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


Yeah, I'm probably $14-16k in my lighting, grip and accessories...but I also rely more heavily on rental or location packages than a lot of people. More of that's accessories and modifiers than you might think. In my opinion, if you're building a budget for a lighting package you should spend about 50% of it on the lights and 50% on grip and modifiers. And you're better off avoiding packaged kits - use the same care on choosing modifiers as you do in choosing lights.

Depending on what you shoot, I think that a fair starter kit can be had for $800-1000 and a pretty versatile kit can be had for $1500-2500.



Feb 13, 2008 at 09:59 PM
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p.1 #5 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


I am going through the same thing right now. My best advice is comb the forum for threads starting with things like "Which lights" "New to strobes" or "begining setup" or threads with similar names. Alot of this is asked on a frequent basis from what I've seen over the past year or so, and it helps get you a broader picture of what you might want for what you shoot. Of course YMMV.

From everything I've seen and the gathered feedback from a lot of people who's comments and level headed approaches tend to give them credence, jumping feet first will quickly get you in over your head.

I'm shooting for around $1500 for a one strobe set up with a solid modifier, stand and triggering system. From there I can learn some of what I need to and layer in the complexity one modifier/light/location at a time.

One of the good resources that I've re read a few times is Chuck Gardners site. (I don't have the link on this computer and can't search for it for some reason, but it's got "supernova" in the url, so a search on FM might get it for you)



Feb 13, 2008 at 10:24 PM
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p.1 #6 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


I'm building my studio with a budget of $4K per light (currently at two). That includes the head, the pack or fraction thereof, modifiers, support, and surroundings. I follow Simon's 50/50 ratio. And I thought camera gear was expensive!

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Feb 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM
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p.1 #7 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


Thanks everyone for the replies. Jeremy, I will definitely look into that site, and be sure to comb through FM. Thanks again.


Feb 14, 2008 at 01:26 AM
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p.1 #8 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


I would consider mine a decent setup with a lower budget. I have a couple of Photogenic 320ws (similar to Alien Bee 800's) strobes that I got as a package (bag, 2 stands, 2 small umbrellas) with a Sekonic 358 for about $400 on ebay. I have several Amvona products as well from ebay. Couple of heavier duty light stands for around $25 each, 10ft wide 3 bar background holder for about $110, 69x54 Softbox for $50 and I am trying to get a 5ft octobox from them as well right now (I am expecting to pay around $50 as well), and a Boom for $50. I have been using interfits adapters for my lights that adapt my softboxes. These run around 35 to 40 dollars. I use seemless paper for backgrounds at $40 each (I currently have 3). So grand total of just under 1K (man didnt realize I had invested this much as I have bought it a little at a time). I am happy with what I have an the results I get from them. I shop alot on ebay and with Amvona some people like their products and some hate them but I am not doing this to make cash, just as a hobby and they are sturdy enough for what I do. Hopefully some of this information can be helpful.


Feb 14, 2008 at 09:34 AM
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p.1 #9 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


Chuck's link is http://super.nova.org/DPR/ .


Feb 14, 2008 at 10:17 AM
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p.1 #10 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


Basic but complete: $4000 - $4500


Feb 14, 2008 at 01:25 PM
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p.1 #11 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


rico wrote:
And I thought camera gear was expensive!



Oh, hell no. Camera gear just gets you into the studio. It's all downhill from there.

Lights are but a small part of the overall "studio" cost. Stands, booms, modifiers, etc. that's where the money goes.

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Feb 14, 2008 at 02:01 PM
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p.1 #12 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


Thank you all for the help. Thanks David for the link, and thank you ueb for the info. on your setup .. very helpful. Thanks all.


Feb 14, 2008 at 02:54 PM
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p.1 #13 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


I made a similar thread a few weeks ago. I received lots of help and I've bought all my gear (strobe, softbox, reflector, stands,etc) for about 800$ from B&H
Here's the link: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/608722/0#5383271
Just ignore the "continuous lighting" questions in your case.



Feb 14, 2008 at 06:09 PM
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p.1 #14 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


I have about $4500 in mine. 2 PF 600s, 2 PF 300s, stands, backdrops, boom, modifiers, etc. etc. I think you can get a very good set-up for under 5K. Unlike camera bodies, once you pay for it its done. No worries about the urge to buy the next new release so it is money well spent.

But here is a big question. How big is your room and how high are your ceilings? A smallish living room with 8 foot ceilings is no fun...No matter what you get, ya gotta put it somewhere.

Edited on Feb 17, 2008 at 08:20 AM



Feb 17, 2008 at 08:19 AM
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p.1 #15 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


It really depends on what your needs and goals are. To get a starting baseline for cost visit the Alien Bee web site, which has just about everything you'd need for a home studio in one convenient place, and load up a shopping cart with everything you think you might want to buy over the next 2-3 years. That will give you an idea of how about how much you'll likely spend for entry-level gear. There are better more expensive options, but the anything cheaper than the Bees is pretty much not worth owning. Put your wish list from AB into a spreadsheet then log into the B&H or Adorama web site which also offer a wide variety of lighting gear and add columns to your spreadsheet for other alternatives. That will give you an idea of the wide spread in prices.

The intangible question is how long it would take you to learn to see the difference between the lowest, highest, and in-between price points and whether or not the inherent advantages of the more expensive gear (convenience, consistency, quality of constuction) for a given Watt-Second power level is worth the money to you. Ultimately the choice of modifiers has more to do with the quality of the light than the flash heads, so forced to work within a budget choosing the less expensive flash head options will allow more and better modifier choices. There is no compelling need to buy flash head, modifiers and stands all from the same vendor.

I was able to equip my 4-light home studio for about $3,000 all in. But OTOH if I were shooting professionally, everyday and hauling gear on location might have spent 3-4x that to allow for more power, redundancy, spares and a wider variety of lighting needs than I have as a hobbiest.






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Feb 17, 2008 at 11:17 AM
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p.1 #16 · Decent Studio Setup (pricing)


Like Chuck says, it's all about what your needs are, and those will grow over time. $16K-$20K is quite realistic over time if you end up doing portraiture continuously, and I bet if the posters who mentioned that kind of money really added everything up, they would probably have a much higher number. For one thing, doing on-site work dang near requires a van or pickup truck with a topper for hauling the stuff around, and I bet the posters didn't factor that in! Also, when decent hard case wheel bags that allow you to conveniently move around the expensive lighting equipment and keep it protected go for $500 a pop, the bills add up in a hurry. As John mentioned, 8 foot ceilings don't cut it, so if you're talking your own studio, don't forget to factor in the outbuilding!

I bet the gal who owns my favorite local pro studio has $10K just in muslins and props.

In the mean time, starting out with lights like the Alien Bees, getting a little creative with hardware from Menards, and not going crazy with the modifiers makes the budgeting a lot simpler. What makes the budget a heck of a lot better is to rent stuff. Having a local pro shop with a decent stock is a life (and wallet) saver.

I unhesitatingly recommend the Alien Bee lights. They have starter kits with a decent discount, and I don't know of any way to get better light cheaper except if you can find the stuff used, but that stuff sells very quickly on eBay for a high percentage of new retail. You can certainly spend a lot more money on lights, and have to in order to get anything much better.

My #1 recomendation is to start out slow with a basic setup. It's about impossible to know what you realy want / "need" until after you've had the chance to work at it, made some mistakes, asked some questions, and had a chance to mess around with various models of equipment. No one can really tell you what is right for you. Buying stuff you end up not liking and not using is a great way to run the bill up higher faster. In the mean time, renting equipment from (and discussing it with) folks at a pro shop, hanging out with photographers experienced in your area, etc., is a great way to learn faster. I've found photographers to be a congenial lot in general, and they always can use help schlepping stuff and setting it up and dealing with the mundane details aside from shooting. Photographers love volunteers who are willing to forego the shutter button while helping out.

IMO a good starting setup is a basic two light setup (AB 800's) with stands, a couple of umbrellas, preferably the kind with removable liners that can be used for reflection or shoot-thru, a mid-large size softbox, and some arrangement for synching the camera and strobes.

If you're shooting at home and are blessed with an area with a 10+ foot ceiling, you can make your own backdrop hanger with black pipe hangers and heavy PVC tube rollers. If you want stands for the backdrops, you can rent them along with the backdrops pretty reasonably for the occaisional shoot. If you're going to do on-site work, you can again rent the stands and you can use large plastic tubs and a two-wheeler that converts into a 4-wheeler cart to make up for the lack of $1K in nice wheeled hard cases.

I believe pretty early on you will want to buy a few backdrops of your own, at least white, black, and a mottled gray. But you can rent that stuff for the first while. Pretty quickly, you're going to want a third light for backlighting. Not long after you will want a 4th light for various uses like hairlighting and as a spare. So, if your budget can handle it, getting another light head or two up front isn't ridiculous, particularly since you get a decent discount buying all at once -- but, again, not needed.

To me one of the really shocking thing about getting into studio stuff was how darned expensive decent stands are. I did the stupid thing and bought a kit with several stands that I consider too flimsy to be useful. Since then I started renting better stands and have been picking off used higher quality ones as they become available. There is no such thing as a stand that is too heavy duty or too light weight, and only the really quality ones offer a decent compromise of those properties. I still rent stands regularly.

The ugly truth is that, it's really easy to end up with $4K in just stands, booms, and clamps, and I bet some of the people on this forum who make a living doing on-site work have a heck of a lot more than that invested in those seemingly mundane accoutrements. Again, however, it is much a matter of a trade-off between time/convenience and money. Creativity at the "Photo Studio Equipment department at Menards", willingness to dink around in setup, patiently and avidly hunting for decent used gear, and a ton of gaffer's tape does do a lot to help bridge the expenditure vs capital gap.



Feb 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM





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