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Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel

  
 
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p.12 #1 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Say, does anyone of this brain trust remember if the USS Lexington was stationed in Pensacola, FL for a while? I have a memory in my youth of touring an aircraft carrier in the 1978-1980 time frame in Pensacola and thought it was the USS Lexington. Now I see she is a museum ship in TX. Would be nice to know either my memory is still good or I need to find new marbles!

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Apr 04, 2017 at 11:52 AM
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p.12 #2 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Here is what I found on the Lexington concerning Pensacola.

Into 1969, Lexington operated out of her home port, Pensacola, as well as Corpus Christi and New Orleans, qualifying student aviators and maintaining the high state of training of both active-duty and reserve naval aviators. Her work became of increasing significance as she prepared the men vital to the Navy and Marine Corps operations over Vietnam, where naval aviation played a major role. Lexington marked her 200,000th arrested landing on 17 October 1967, and was redesignated CVT-16 on 1 January 1969. She continued as a training carrier for the next 22 years until decommissioned and struck on 8 November 1991.



Apr 04, 2017 at 12:48 PM
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DanNehmer wrote:
Say, does anyone of this brain trust remember if the USS Lexington was stationed in Pensacola, FL for a while? I have a memory in my youth of touring an aircraft carrier in the 1978-1980 time frame in Pensacola and thought it was the USS Lexington. Now I see she is a museum ship in TX. Would be nice to know either my memory is still good or I need to find new marbles!

Thanks,
Dan


I think the Lexington was stationed in Corpus Christi at that time.
When I worked our F-101 Alert aircraft (at Ellington AFB, TX around 1977) I remember we were scrambled 3 times in one night because the USS Lexington was performing night training mission in the Gulf of Mexico near Corpus Christi. The new pilots kept forgetting to turn on their IFF transponders. After the second flight, around 2 am, the lead pilot called the air controllers to have them chew out the Navy. As soon as we completed our post-flight inspections and refueling, we got scrambled for the third mission...about 20 minutes after the phone call. Pilots don't like missing their sleep when they are on Alert.








Apr 04, 2017 at 12:55 PM
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ELinder wrote:
Jay, you're right, it sure is a nice plane. Unfortunately I can't say the same of this image. It looks so over manipulated and unnatural looking that I can't tell if you were really there to take the photo or just used a stock photo and pasted it onto a background. The brightness balances, lighting, shadows, highlights, basically everything looks fake here. Sorry.

Erich


Thanks for your comments Erich, everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I am most concerned about is that the client liked the photo and they did. I truly did not have a lot to work with, this was not a "planned shoot", the client just asked me to take some photos of it and all I had was my Sony Point and Shoot.

I tried to do the best I could given the circumstances.

They liked the shot and I got paid, so to me, everything is good.




Apr 05, 2017 at 07:06 AM
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JayDavis wrote:
Thanks for your comments Erich, everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I am most concerned about is that the client liked the photo and they did. I truly did not have a lot to work with, this was not a "planned shoot", the client just asked me to take some photos of it and all I had was my Sony Point and Shoot.

I tried to do the best I could given the circumstances.

They liked the shot and I got paid, so to me, everything is good.



Jay, I'm truly glad for you that you have clients willing to pay for a shot like that. In today's market keeping clients happy is a major achievement in and of itself.

Unfortunately that doesn't change what I said about the image you posted. Actually, quite a few of the images you've posted suffer the same problems. As you say, there are some days we don't have much to work with and have to make the best of a bad situation. However, if you're willing to post the original shot I'm sure the many talented photographers and post production artists here could make suggestions of things to try in the future to make the results more realistic when you're again faced with this situation. I've learned a great deal from the vast base of knowledge from the people here, all you need do is ask.

Erich



Apr 05, 2017 at 09:12 AM
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p.12 #6 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Some CJ3 action!



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Apr 05, 2017 at 10:13 AM
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p.12 #7 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


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Apr 05, 2017 at 10:14 AM
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Apr 05, 2017 at 10:15 AM
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p.12 #10 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Good Morning Erich,

Knowing you, and the high standard you hold yourself and your final product to, I know that your post holds no malice whatsoever. We see it more and more every day as post processing tools and particularly plug ins flood the marketplace. Certainly evaluation of the end product is ultimately up to the creator and the marketplace, but the lines between photography and "rendering" have not just been obscured, but obliterated. Maybe we are just "old school" creatives who value the hard won and effective techniques we've developed over the decades, but I believe it's more than that. Don't get me wrong, I love the flexibility and creative edge that digital technologies have brought to our craft, but I still shoot as if there was a 36 exposure roll of Kodachrome, or a 4x5 sheet of Fuji Velvia 50 in the camera. The fact that I have four or more stops of dynamic range now doesn't, in my mind, give me license to expose sloppily, it just presents an opportunity to save an image if I goof up. Once again, completely up to the artist, but the fact that a sky and ten other elements that didn't exist in the same time/space continuum, can be tossed into a composition because of available technology, doesn't, in my mind give me a pass on developing hard won creative techniques over decades. Right or wrong, and it's most likely neither, I can say that I have never dropped a sky into an image, I've considered it, but something just tugs on my ego, pride, old school photographic ethic, that won't allow it. I'll go back and re-shoot it as many times as it takes, but I can't seem to cross the boundary even though I created both images.

Personally, and it is very personal for each of us, I love being able to fix a broken window in an architectural image, clone out a sign, get rid of an oil spot on a ramp, or a bug that has met it's fate on a white radome, but much more than that and I feel like it's a rendering. The architectural world is filled with photographers who beat HDR to death, create ridiculous (my opinion) scenes outside windows that would make Thomas Kinkade nauseous. There are clients who are all over that technique, not many, and none of mine. Can I replicate that look, easily, much more easily than the techniques I use in fact, but I won't. I guess each of us have our "vision" and that has a profound influence on our end product, our rates, and ultimately our client list.

I guess, in the immortal words of "Curly", for each of us, "it's that one thing.............", for me, and this is no secret to any of you here, it's getting it right in the camera.






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p.12 #11 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


And while I was digging deep into my photographic soul for those thoughts..................Glenn was ripping through the sky creating just exactly what I was talking about! Anyone seen "the bar", anyone?.......Sheesh!


Apr 05, 2017 at 10:34 AM
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p.12 #12 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


JWilsonphoto wrote:


https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/74/1444974.jpg




"FLY the airplane, dont FALL the airplane!"





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Apr 05, 2017 at 10:42 AM
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p.12 #13 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


"Old School" seems to work pretty good, just opened up an email with two P.O's totaling $24K for a Boeing and an Airbus. Gotta love this "job"!


Apr 05, 2017 at 10:43 AM
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p.12 #14 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Hey Bud,

I'll see your Citations and raise you a T-38 and a Hawk 400........................







Apr 05, 2017 at 10:55 AM
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p.12 #15 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Talk about a perfect evening........................







Apr 05, 2017 at 11:01 AM
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p.12 #16 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


I'll call with a pic of your Buddy Acemaker and a T38!



Glenn



Apr 05, 2017 at 11:04 AM
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p.12 #17 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Now, refresh my memory, did we have to do a composition there...................?


Apr 05, 2017 at 11:08 AM
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p.12 #18 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


One of my favorite shutter clicks of all time, shot in Raw, on a 1DS MKIII 24/70, this file as you see it is pretty much a conversion out of RAW, straight out of the camera.







Apr 05, 2017 at 11:11 AM
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p.12 #19 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


I'm in the first quarter of four days of solid Photoshopping, so this is a good break............................ When the 800mm is called for, it works spectacularly...........







Apr 05, 2017 at 11:16 AM
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p.12 #20 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Are "full discs" really over-rated? I think not..........................







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