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Hello, I need a lot of advice so please forgive my long post. I pre-ordered a Canon 1Ds3 hoping to switch from medium format film (Rollei 6008) to digital at a quality level that hopefully will approach my standard C-prints for 20"x20" landscape work. I imagine many other people are planning the same so hopefully your answerers to my questions will help others.

I realize that the 1Ds3 sensor resolution is just one part of the puzzle so I have started buying what supposedly are the best lenses out there from Contax and the the Zeiss ZF line to make sure I can get the most out of the 1Ds3 capabilities for the type of work I do - mostly images in the 20mm to 70mm range with the camera mounted on a tripod. Since the 1Ds3 will not arrive until November, I decided to test the various lenses this past weekend with a variety of adapters on my Canon 5D (2 camaraquest, 1 fotodiox and a Novaflex for the ZFs). The test was the typical tall brick building under good even lighting shot at various distances and apertures with the camera mounted on a firm tripod and perpendicular to the target, etc. From looking at my initial results for both the Contax-Zeiss and the Zeiss ZF lenses the only conclusions I could make with some certainty were that:

- At infinity, the lenses were not giving me the critical edge-to-edge results I wanted until f8 or higher.

- The Zeiss ZF lenses while slightly sharper than their corresponding Contax counterparts, will generally show more chromatic aberrations.

I suspect that both of the above results can be attributed to adapter issues so please do not make any conclusions from the above statement. What is very clear to me is that if you are going to get non-canon lenses to improve image quality you need to pay attention to the adapter to lens combination, specially, when taking images at near infinity or with large apertures.

The questions I have are:

1. Are the Pham Minh Son adapters with various thicknesses to match different Contax lenses still available? I could not open the website that is referenced on some posts related to his adapters at http://www.AdapterSolutions.com

2. Is the adapter thickness particularly problematic with the 5D model and I can expect a better experience with a 1Ds3 (or even an older 1Ds2) ?

3. All of my current lenses mount correctly with the various adapters (see exception below) but if I were to use a Pham Minh Son adapter, will I need to make body or lens modifications on lenses longer than the 21/2.8?

4. Is there a place that will calibrate older Contax Zeiss lenses to their original specs? if so what is the usual fee?

I am testing a bunch of lenses but I intend to keep only a handfull of them that make sense for the type of work I do and the results I need. I have from Contax the 21/2.8, 28/2.8, 50/1.4, 60/2.8 1:1, 85/1.4, 35-70/3.4. I also have the 28/2.0 Hollywood but I have not tested this lens because I do not think it will clear the mirror on my 5D. From Zeiss ZF I have 25/2.8, 50/1.4, 35/2.0, 100/2.0 and I have preordered the 28/2.0.

By the way, I intend to keep my Rollei 600x gear to continue to have access to film based photography and I hope that one day I can use my Rollei lenses on a true square digital back with no cropping.

Thank you for your feedback



Oct 31, 2007 at 10:02 AM
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Raul,
Think about the Contax N Series autofocus lenses and conversion by Bo-ming of Conurus (conurus.com). They are gorgeous lenses and work flawlessly in all ways after conversion.
I am truly enjoying them.
Best wishes,
Jack



Oct 31, 2007 at 12:29 PM
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Jack Swickard wrote:
Think about the Contax N Series autofocus lenses and conversion by Bo-ming of Conurus (conurus.com). They are gorgeous lenses and work flawlessly in all ways after conversion.
I am truly enjoying them.


I have converted Contax N and also several good CZ lenses. I love the N's, I don't use Canons any more except for tele. The N's are great autofocus lenses. However I can tell you that the best CZ's are still better than the N's.



Oct 31, 2007 at 12:52 PM
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I have converted Contax N and also several good CZ lenses. I love the N's, I don't use Canons any more except for tele. The N's are great autofocus lenses. However I can tell you that the best CZ's are still better than the N's.


Absolutely agree with Tom. After exploring the medium format system in digital medium, I am excited and looking forward to add back the Carl Zeiss Distagon T* 2.8/21, Planar T* 1.2/55, Planar T* 1.2/85 on the latest Canon 22 MP full frame sensor, which these lens were intended for application. The other Contax Carl Zeiss candidates are: Distagon T* 3.5/15, Distagon T* 2.8/35 PC and Makro-Planar T* 2.0/100 ZF. The one lens that has eluded me all these years is the Carl Zeiss S-Planar T* 4.0/100. If anyone is willing to sell this lens let me know and I will rearrange my lens line up. In addition, to these great Carl Zeiss lens I also would like to see the Leica Vario-Elmarit-R 2.8/35-70, Apo-Macro-Elmarit-R 2.8/100, and Apo-Summicron-R 2.0/180 as well. I have tested the Contax N 24-85 against the Leica Vario-Elmarit-R 2.8/35-70 and the IQ of the Leica zoom is special. Furthermore, the bright focusing screen for manual focus throughout the zoom range, due to the constant f stop, make it a joy to use.

-Son

Edited by Pham Minh Son on Oct 31, 2007 at 03:28 PM GMT (Reason: Clarity)



Oct 31, 2007 at 01:17 PM
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raul jarquin wrote:
Hello, I need a lot of advice so please forgive my long post. I pre-ordered a Canon 1Ds3 hoping to switch from medium format film (Rollei 6008) to digital at a quality level that hopefully will approach my standard C-prints for 20"x20" landscape work. I imagine many other people are planning the same so hopefully your answerers to my questions will help others.


My medium format systems right now are the Rollei 6008, Rolleiflex Hy6, Rolleiflex TLR (FT, FW, FX) and Contax 645 systems. Among these 3 systems I am able to extend my range of applications.

From looking at my initial results for both the Contax-Zeiss and the Zeiss ZF lenses the only conclusions I could make with some certainty were that:

- At infinity, the lenses were not giving me the critical edge-to-edge results I wanted until f8 or higher.


With the perfectly calibrated lens and the right adapter thickness, especially with those lens with floating elements (the non floating element lens can be readjust yourself since the formula for these lens are not as complicated due to dependent lens integration), the performance of these optics will deliver high quality. Some of the sharpest lens you will find at wide open f stops are: Distagon T* 2.8/21 C/Y (Contax/Yashica Mount), Planar T* 1.2/55 C/Y, Planar T* 1.2/85 C/Y. These lens pound for pound are the top resolution lens in its class.

- The Zeiss ZF lenses while slightly sharper than their corresponding Contax counterparts, will generally show more chromatic aberrations.

With the proper adapter thickness, even the Planar T* 1.2/85 C/Y lens at wide open has great chromatic aberration control and high micro/macro contrast and actuance (resolution). Do not forget that the solution of the adpater thickness for the Canon adapter is solved but the Nikkor mount adapter is not determined yet. Therefore, it has been assumed that the Nikon mount adapter thickness is not a problem but we do not know until we can test the adapter in those lens. Therefore, it may be premature to make the absolute conclusion of chromatic aberration on the ZF lens. However, Zeiss has made changes in their optic designs for these lens and therefore a compromise could exists.

I suspect that both of the above results can be attributed to adapter issues so please do not make any conclusions from the above statement. What is very clear to me is that if you are going to get non-canon lenses to improve image quality you need to pay attention to the adapter to lens combination, specially, when taking images at near infinity or with large apertures.

Yes, adapter thickness is essential to optimize the lens performance in their original designs. In addition to infinity or near infinity, my tests have shown that if the lens cannot reached infinity with the adapter, its performance is greatly reduced whether at infinity or in the closest focusing distance of the lens.

The questions I have are:

1. Are the Pham Minh Son adapters with various thicknesses to match different Contax lenses still available? I could not open the website that is referenced on some posts related to his adapters at http://www.AdapterSolutions.com


I still have some thinner adapters and the thicker one come by once in a while in the forum sale. I no longer make them but willing to make another run for the forum if enough people are interested. There are still adapters floating around in the forum so you can pick up a use one. In addition to being at different thickness to match up every C/Y lens, these adapters fit the tightest in the market in order to prevent lateral shift from the center of the lens. If anyone bought one of these adapters and need a tool to get them on and off their lens and the seller no longer has the removing kit, email me and I will support you ([email protected]). Since I am not completely moved and with too may matters at hands, the website server will not be up and running until the next year.

2. Is the adapter thickness particularly problematic with the 5D model and I can expect a better experience with a 1Ds3 (or even an older 1Ds2) ?

Yes, the 5D mirror has the plastic holder stage coming out more so than the metal mirror holding stage of the 1 series Canon DSLR cameras. In addition, the mirror of the 5D is not attached well onto the stage and could lead to potential problem when cutting the mirror.

3. All of my current lenses mount correctly with the various adapters (see exception below) but if I were to use a Pham Minh Son adapter, will I need to make body or lens modifications on lenses longer than the 21/2.8?

Not every lens require the mirror to be modified, the Distagon T* 2.8/21 with the right adapter for it will not require the mirror to be cut. However, there is one more issue that must be cleared, beside the mirror cut the mirror housing also must be slightly modified in order to allow all of the high end Carl Zeiss C/Y mount lens to freely move the aperature ring when stopping down. The lens that has the most problem is the Distagon T* 3.5/15 which require the thinnest adapter ever to get to infinity focus. However, if you are willing to make the lens work it is a joy to use this lens. Becareful though, this lens must be in calibration to get the best out of it. Today, I know Tom has the best copy of this lens that I have tested and it comes with the proper adapter. In addition, if the mirror is modified, then all of the great and difficult Leica R lens can also finally be used in the camera. Thus, this is an extra benefit.

4. Is there a place that will calibrate older Contax Zeiss lenses to their original specs? if so what is the usual fee?

Only Zeiss in Germany can calibrate the difficult one and the fee varies depending on what needs to be done. It is worth it if you love the lens and want to keep them. I have done this with almost all of my lens from 135 mm to medium format systems.

I am testing a bunch of lenses but I intend to keep only a handfull of them that make sense for the type of work I do and the results I need. I have from Contax the 21/2.8, 28/2.8, 50/1.4, 60/2.8 1:1, 85/1.4, 35-70/3.4. I also have the 28/2.0 Hollywood but I have not tested this lens because I do not think it will clear the mirror on my 5D. From Zeiss ZF I have 25/2.8, 50/1.4, 35/2.0, 100/2.0 and I have preordered the 28/2.0.

I would wait to see the new Zeiss Distagon T* 2.0/28 and how it will compare to the Hollywood.

By the way, I intend to keep my Rollei 600x gear to continue to have access to film based photography and I hope that one day I can use my Rollei lenses on a true square digital back with no cropping.

Thank you for your feedback


I also shoot film with my medium format systems. For example, I traveled with my new Rolleiflex TLR FT and I can shoot this system at 1/15 second hand held and with the pistol grip I can go down to 1/8s. The negatives and slides come back from this system are very high quality and give you a different looks from the digital back. This system can also have the true high flash sync up to 1/500 s when it is needed.

I have made 4 of the Contax 645 auto bellows to use with 4x5 image circle lens for tilt, swing, and shift in the medium format system. I will soon add the Leica R, Leica Visoflex, Canon EF, Nikkor and Sigma SA mounts to work on this very auto bellow system so that macro, product, flowers, and stitching applications are facilitated regardless of platforms.

-Son

Edited by Pham Minh Son on Oct 31, 2007 at 04:43 PM GMT (Reason: for clarity)



Oct 31, 2007 at 02:21 PM
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raul jarquin wrote:
- At infinity, the lenses were not giving me the critical edge-to-edge results I wanted until f8 or higher.



You should look into a few of the Leica lenses. For example, the new 28mm f2.8 Elmarit is stellar at f5.6-f8. There are usually no adapter issues with the Leica lenses because it is a simple brass ring made on a lathe. I have a 28mm and I loaned it to a 5D user and he didn't have any problems with the mirror clearance.

Another Leica lens to look into is the 50mm Summicron. From f4 down it is a great performer. It can be has pretty cheap too.

The 1D series bodies also had fewer problems with mirrors hang ups.



Oct 31, 2007 at 02:28 PM
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Raul, for around the same as the price of a 1Ds3, you could probably get yourself a refurbished Sinar e22 for your 6008. Did you consider this option?


Oct 31, 2007 at 03:54 PM
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Pham Minh Son wrote:
My medium format systems right now are the Rollei 6008, Rolleiflex Hy6, Rolleiflex TLR (FT, FW, FX) and Contax 645 systems.


Do you have the Hy6 already? If so, please share your impressions!



Oct 31, 2007 at 03:54 PM
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As the (former) 5D user that robsteve was kind enough to lend some glass and bodies to, I can attest to the following:

1. NEVER use someone's Leica gear if you've never used it before. The next thing you know you're happily selling your Canon gear, a little more reluctantly selling your Zeiss glass and buying an R8w/motordrive (thanks rob), meeting strangers at the airport to buy Leica glass, becoming far too well known at KEH -- and eyeballing M7s not to mention pondering a used DMR when the R10 hits the market.

That's the rumour anyway.

2. On the 5D I had no mirror issues with any of the following. getting the !@#$ to manually focus properly was another issue.

My 'go ahead and depreciate like a 486 PC' 30D that I'm using as a 'Trailer Park DMR' an for lens testing is a walk in the park (with a Katzeye) in comparision. Anyway, some lens input:

Leica
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2a Latest 28/2.8 (one with built-in square hood). Sharp, sharp and, ah, sharp. Nice close focus distance. Objects 'leap' into focus due to high contrast. Hard to find 2nd hand.

2b 50mm Summicron. Leica's version of a lens cap with glass in it that goes from nice to great stopped down 1 notch as Rob stated.

2c 35mm Summicron. Nice, cheap, but beaten by the 28mm

2d. 180/2 Apo. This thing should have an altar in your home if you own one (ask my bank account). Short, fat, fast, sharp as sharp gets and smmmoooth focusing. Object 'leap' into focus due to high contrast. The tripod foot is a work of art. This sucker, like the R8/9 was designed by a photog vs. a lab-rat.

2e 90/2.8 last model - awesome bargain at $500. Small, sharp, easy to focus and high contrast. As the joke goes- "...only beaten by the 902/ Apo -- at F2...". Hard to find 2nd hand.

2f. 90/2 Apo - Everything the 180/2 is at half the price and half the F/L. Not as sharp as 180 wide open IMHO. Did notice some CA. Sold mine and went with the last 2.8.

Zeiss
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2g 35mm/2 ZF. Very nice. Sharp as tack in center, beaten by Leica 28 in corners. Just sold mine - but it lived on my FE2.

2h CZ 60mm/2.8 Macro Planar S - big, heavy and sharp.

2i CZ 28mm/2.8 Nice, bargain, but never used that FL much (am more of a 35mm+ guy) - same reason I am selling my Leica 28 (which beats the CZ version)

Note - Zeiss T* lenses, I guess due to the coatings, can exhibit a VERY VERY slight pinkish cast that is really only noticable when compared to a known color-neutral shot. Easily corrected in RAW. Leica glass is more color neutral. Some say 'cold'.

In short, after an extended 'tasting' with Leica vs. my own CZ and Zeiss ZF glass (I'll ignore Canon), I decided to standardize on Leica for the following reasons:

- definition (sharpness/contrast)
- color neutrality
- build quality
- consistency of samples (few duffs ever heard of)
- focus mech (Zeiss ZF can be a little TOO easy to mis/focus when adjusting aperture)
- consistency of operation. Zeiss ZF/Nikon, etc focus in opposite direction from Leica which I found a PITA when rushed.
- I made the mistake of trying some....




Oct 31, 2007 at 04:28 PM
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foto-z wrote:
Do you have the Hy6 already? If so, please share your impressions!


Hi Graham,
I have the Rolleiflex Hy6 for about 1 month now and I really like it for the extremely precise and fast autofocus system. Folks that do not use the medium format system will not understand how accurate the auto focus system especially with the new Hy6 camera. In addition to the new auto focus system, the beautiful bright waist level finder view allows the photographer to focus on the composition with joy. The Hy6 has improved on the mirror dampening as well. As before the Rollei lens are sharp, creamy bokeh and has flash sync shutter up to 1/1000. The Hy6 is the winner IMHO. Again, you took the first intial step with the Rollei system and I was inspired and got into the system due to my curiosity. Along the way I encountered problems but I learned how to work around them and appreciated the unique quality of the Rollei system. The Hy6 in itself has resolved the important problems that I encountered. I see the future in the Hy6 especially with the next larger sensor size generation in full frame square format. Thanks again for that initial push.

Son



Oct 31, 2007 at 04:32 PM
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I have to give a comment on the relation of adapter thickness and CA, and I know that my opinion stands against the pope of adapters. Sorry if it should trouble somebody.

Zeiss lenses use Floating Elements to increase close up performance, at infinity and normal ranges the lens is just like any other lens without FE. I tested a number of Zeiss lenses with different adapters and could not see a difference in CA performance even when using the lens in the closest range.

zeiss 18mm
zeiss 1.2/85mm
zeiss 100 makro planar

HB 50mm FE

I do not have lenses like the 21 nor do I own the 85 anymore so my data is not complete at all. I think that Zeiss lenses are great though they have some in built CA just like any other manufacturer including Canon Leica or Nikon. Stopping down helps a lot with German glass and that is where they often do better than other lenses.

My opinion is that you need an adapter which allows you to reach infinity anyway, so make sure that you get one of the modern adapters or if you prefer, use a Son adapter. There are also a couple of great Canon L lenses, I think Canon is among the best when it comes to Teles and Zooms IMO, so nothing to worry about there.

BTW I own both the 50mm Summicron and the ZF 50mm you also own, the new ZF is clearly the more versatile and is at least as sharp a lens as the Leica.



Oct 31, 2007 at 04:46 PM
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I would like to be fair to all of the companies with the following points:

1. Canon lens especially the tele-photo lens are among the best lens in term of resolution you can buy so when folks tell you that Canon lens are not good enough for the 1Ds Mark III, you can tell them to try out the 1.8/200 for example or any other Canon top tele-photo L lens. Their wide angle lens seems to be soft on the edges with CA.

2. Carl Zeiss Distagon T* wide angle lens at least in C/Y mount especially wider or equal to 21 mm are the most balance lens I have seen in terms of CA control and center to edge sharpness balance. The Leica wide angle lens will give you extremely sharp in the center and slowly degrade as you go to the full frame edge. From 28 mm and longer focal length up to 180 mm the Leica glass are extremely great with the Zeiss 1.2/85 sitting in the middle there as the best lens.

3. No doubt that the Leica R10 could potentially be one of the best camera that comes into the market and if they are going to use the new Kodak sensor techonology with the slightly bigger than the normal full frame 35 mm system will yield something in the 40 MP sensor. However, nothing is an absolute against time and especially with digital sensor as the theme. The Canon body will allow so many different lens to be mounted is where the flexibility lies.

4. The fast lens especially the 1.2 lens are extremely sensitive to the adapter thickness and it is essential to gather the whole data points to acknowledge the important of adapter thickness.

-Son



Oct 31, 2007 at 05:03 PM
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Pham Minh Son wrote:
Hi Graham,
I have the Rolleiflex Hy6 for about 1 month now and I really like it for the extremely precise and fast autofocus system.


Glad you are liking it and I admit I am envious of your Hy6!

I think your post is the first user report of a Hy6 I've seen on the net.



Oct 31, 2007 at 05:05 PM
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foto-z wrote:
Glad you are liking it and I admit I am envious of your Hy6!


I am sure you will acquire one in the future if not already. What I love and those that came on board with me to acquire the Rollei systems is the future and the quality behind these systems. Like you, the Rollei systems give me the most pleasure using them.

I also had the opportunity to see the differences in the various Hy6 models and would like to share the information with you here and with other who are interested:

1. The 45 and 90 degree prism finders seems to be different from the Rolleiflex models versus the Leaf.

2. The Leaf Hy6 will use the battery in the action grip for both the camera and the digital back while the Sinar will require two batteries, one in the action grip and one in the digital back.

Son



Oct 31, 2007 at 05:12 PM
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here is the new sensor technology from Kodak so when we buy into camera platform we should be aware who is the biggest sensor maker and which camera or digital back companies are tied to the parent company: www.kodak.com/US/en/dpq/site/SENSORS/name/ISSpr20070614_NextGen

But of course photographers cannot just sit and wait for the future promises; they use what is available now and when the time comes the system will be dealt accordingly. Digital age is a new brave world.

Son



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foto-z wrote:
Raul, for around the same as the price of a 1Ds3, you could probably get yourself a refurbished Sinar e22 for your 6008. Did you consider this option?


What lens could he possibly use with the Sinar to equate to a 20mm focal length in 35mm full frame format out of curiousity?



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raul jarquin wrote:
From looking at my initial results for both the Contax-Zeiss and the Zeiss ZF lenses the only conclusions I could make with some certainty were that:

- At infinity, the lenses were not giving me the critical edge-to-edge results I wanted until f8 or higher.


I wondered about this, most Zeiss lenses would perform best at about f5.6, a few have problems in the corners and need to stop down more, like the 2.8/28mm. Though if you get a sharp picture in the center the edges should be sharp at f8. If the center is not sharp, the adapter is either to thick or to thin.

There is a webpage which tested most contax lenses in the center and the border
http://www.geocities.com/ilprode/TestZ.htm
and for real live tests
http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/
you will see border performance is not a big problem there

And here is a link to a thread covering more or less the same question. Be prepared, it is a bit of a read, but really great information there

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/504107

In fact the difference in resolution between a 12mp camera and a 20mp camera is about 25%, not such a big step after all and most prime lenses should give you enough resolving power to outresolve this sensor. Still, I think the alternative lenses are worth the money.



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Tariq Gibran wrote:
What lens could he possibly use with the Sinar to equate to a 20mm focal length in 35mm full frame format out of curiousity?


That's true that this wide an angle can't yet be achieved, but... the original poster could do what I have done and add a view camera with Schneider 28mm lens (equiv to 21mm) OR he could use a lens like the 40mm and stitch together a few exposures to get a very high resolution and wide angle image. I do this a lot with great success.

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/pano2_alt_crop.jpg



Oct 31, 2007 at 06:47 PM
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I agree that stitching is a great alternative to get extra wide (or otherwise for high resolution), but then you hardly need a medium format back or a 1DsIII. . . . which is the conclusion I've come to. Stitching works for 80% + of the high resolution images I want. The other 20% are more than counterbalanced by the fact that I wouldn't be there, in the right place at the right time as often with a heavier or more expensive setup (the more expensive setup would cause me to be overcautious). (And a 5D with a Canon L zoom isn't bad for the 20% of the time that stitching won't work, just not as good as a CZ 21mm f2.8, or maybe a Leica M8 and WATE.) So the 5D and good Canon zooms or Canon tilt shift lenses are hard to beat -- except I love the 35mm shift focal length for nodal point stitching, so I have the Nikon 35mm shift for that. (No doubt the CZ 35mm shift is superior, but it's more than twice as heavy and 3-4 times as expensive than the Nikon, and so again, because I'd be concerned about the gear and because of the weight and bulk, for me, it would limit creativity for other reasons.) . . . Of course someone who doesn't think twice about carrying $30,000 of gear when he/she backpacks, or travels to China (or even Rome with lots of people milling about), would be better served by a medium format system. Or if you're primarily shooting in the studio or controlled locations, again the medium format back would shine.


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I know we say this every time a new FF camera arrives, but the modest hike from 16MP to 22MP is once again going to sharpen further the distinction between the good and the great. Many fingers are being crossed that the apparently bottomless corner-resolving abilities of the Leica 15mm f2.8, Zeiss 16mm Fisheye, Zeiss 21mm f2.8, Mamiya 24mm Fisheye, Leica 28mm Elmarit, Zeiss 28mm f2.8, Zeiss ZF 35mm f2, Zeiss 35mm PC and Pentax FA 35mm will not bottom out on us yet.

These, though, are the ONLY sub-35mm lenses in my experience that are truly comfortable across the sensor at working apertures on a 1Ds II, and new questions will be asked of them in the next few months. To that list we could probably add fairly uncontroversially most fast 35mm primes, and – I very much hope – the new Nikon 14-24mm.

We also hope that the LiveView rules out mirror clash using some of the above!

The cost of a 1Ds III relative to a comparably capable MF system is still very attractive and as a system, with careful lens selection, it makes a lot of sense. I don't see any of the present MF kits as options for budget-sensitive applications unless your working life as a professional fits into specific and narrow niches – otherwise, you'll need a Nikon/Canon as well as the big rig – and that gets expensive.



Nov 01, 2007 at 03:51 AM
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