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Natasa Stojsic
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p.1 #1 · ARRI Lights - Expirience? Alternatives?



I am looking to buy one pair of these :

- ARRI Junior 1000 PLUS
- ARRI Junior 2000
- ARRI Junior 5000

Anybody with ARRI expirience? adequate stands? alternatives? etc.

Thank you



Sep 06, 2007 at 01:42 PM
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p.1 #2 · ARRI Lights - Expirience? Alternatives?


Arri makes very good hot lights. Why do you want hot lights for photography? I'd assume this is to suppliment your strobes (which is common in Architectural photography)

As for stands, I'd use anything by Avenger.



Sep 06, 2007 at 02:10 PM
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p.1 #3 · ARRI Lights - Expirience? Alternatives?


Talking about Arri is like bringing owls to Athens ;-)
I use them quite often, as well as the open faces (Arrilites), mostly for the 4-shot modus of my back. For the 1Kw and 2Kw standard stands with 1 1/8 receiver will do, for the 5Kw you might chose a wind-up stand. Anything special you want to know?
Cheers,



Sep 06, 2007 at 02:18 PM
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p.1 #4 · ARRI Lights - Expirience? Alternatives?


PeterBerressem wrote:
Talking about Arri is like bringing owls to Athens ;-)


I like the way that sounds, but I have no idea what it means.

Arri quartz hotlights are basically the standard that others are judged by. If you want another brand to compare them to, look at Mole-Richardson and Lowel. I regularly work with their quartz and HMI sources from 150w up to 2k, though more with my video work than still photography. Any specific questions?

As far as stands and other grip, there's no reason to get packaged stands from Arri. Buy their lights as standalones, then look at grip gear from any number of other manufacturers...you're likely to get better stuff that way. For stands, you've got Bogen/Manfrotto/Avenger at the high end, Impact and SP Systems at the low end. Decide how big you need and how much weight you're willing to bear, then let your wallet be your guide from there.



Sep 06, 2007 at 02:34 PM
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p.1 #5 · ARRI Lights - Expirience? Alternatives?


shatterkiss wrote:
I like the way that sounds, but I have no idea what it means.

From wiktionary:
idiomatic) To undertake a pointless venture, one that is redundant, unnecessary, superfluous
Nice proverb, isn't it? The background is that in ancient Athens owls were the symbol of goddess Athena and the city, stamped on coins as well. The Brits use a similar saying: " taking coals to Newcastle "....



Sep 06, 2007 at 02:59 PM
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I have 2 Arri light kit and i think they are too expensive, I paid over 6K for the lights and accessories.
I just got a 2000k light kit from ebay for $270.
Includes the (2) Softbox (2) light heads (2) case and more.

http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOTO-DIGITAL-VIDEO-PORTRAIT-LIGHTING-KIT-DP2-2497K_W0QQitemZ200149274019QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3860QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
If you need spotlight the ebay kit will not work.

I mix all type of lights, Day light with cool lights (3200° K) and strobes.
All the depends on the color you like.

P.S. If you like HMI it will cost you! starting around 5K for one light.



Please remember the the color temperature.
Source Color temperature in kelvin

Skylight (blue sky)====================12,000 - 20,000
Average summer shade=================8000
Light summer shade====================7100
Typical summer light (sun + sky)===========6500
Daylight fluorescent (caution!) =============6300
Xenon short-arc =======================6400
Overcast sky =========================6000
Clear mercury lamp=====================5900
Sunlight (noon, summer, mid-latitudes)=======5400
Design white fluorescent=================5200
Special fluorescents used for color evaluation =5000
Daylight photoflood ====================4800 - 5000
Sunlight (early morning and late afternoon)====4300
Brite White Deluxe Mercury lamp===========4000
Sunlight (1 hour after dawn) ==============3500
Cool white fluorescent (caution!)===========3400
Photoflood ==========================3400
Professional tungsten photographic lights=====3200
100-watt tungsten halogen================3000
Deluxe Warm White fluorescent============2950
100-watt incandescent===================2870
40-watt incandescent ===================2500
High-pressure sodium light ===============2100
Sunlight (sunrise or sunset)===============2000
Candle flame=========================1850 - 1900
Match flame ==========================1700



Sep 06, 2007 at 04:36 PM
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p.1 #7 · ARRI Lights - Expirience? Alternatives?


jramos wrote:
I have 2 Arri light kit and i think they are too expensive, I paid over 6K for the lights and accessories.
I just got a 2000k light kit from ebay for $270.
Includes the (2) Softbox (2) light heads (2) case and more.

http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOTO-DIGITAL-VIDEO-PORTRAIT-LIGHTING-KIT-DP2-2497K_W0QQitemZ200149274019QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3860QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
If you need spotlight the ebay kit will not work.

I mix all type of lights, Day light with cool lights (3200° K) and strobes.
All the depends on the color you like.

P.S. If you like HMI it will cost you! starting around 5K for one light.

Please remember the the color temperature.
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Lights from Amvona are a joke . They are less than the quality you can get at home depot .



Sep 06, 2007 at 04:42 PM
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I love them, I just did my first video shoot and they work very well,
and the light stands are better then the Arry light kit stands.
The big case is just great, I can use it for my strobes too.

Anyways, I have 2 arri light kit and I think the amova works well.


Regards,
Jose



Sep 06, 2007 at 04:51 PM
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Arri is high quality but Mole Richardson are built a lot heavier . If you want the best source for high end used lighting this is it . http://www.pyramid-films.com/ A good source for new arri and Lowel this is it . http://www.filmandvideolighting.com/ Dont turn your nose up at the lowel lights as they are nice and put out a lot of light for their size .

When working with these lights you need to understand that they require heavier stands and 2K light needs a junior stand to keep from falling over . This is the stand you will need for a 2K or larger light . http://www.msegrip.com/mse.php?show=product&cat=412&products_ID=25033&PHPSESSID=f6b9928af054b1198dfdf61ab929238f


If you want hmi lighting Pyramid can get you what you need . Powering over a 2K light will more than likely require a generator as they have a high current draw and it is not good to plug them into residential service . Hmi lights use a lot of power for the larger ones so you may be better off with tungsten lights .

Also if I was you I would skip the 1K light and get another 2K in its place . Carry a 1K bulb and install it in the 2K light when you only need a 1K light



Sep 06, 2007 at 04:55 PM
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jramos wrote:
I love them, I just did my first video shoot and they work very well,
and the light stands are better then the Arry light kit stands.
The big case is just great, I can use it for my strobes too.

Anyways, I have 2 arri light kit and I think the amova works well.

Regards,
Jose


I agree with you on the Arri stands and most of the kits stands as well , they are crap . The lights amvona sell are made for the amateur market . I made a mistake years ago and bought some of the cheap e-bay crap lights and they fell apart on the ride to the shoot . A grand worth of lights that were in pieces in only a short time . If that is all a person can afford fine , but if you are going to rely on them go with pro lights . There are companies that sell used Hollywood lights fairly cheap like in my other post here . Mole 2K lights can be had for $150 and you can get them cheaper if you buy more than one .

AS far as hmi's go you can get a ballast and a head for way less than you think and it is a quality unit .



Sep 06, 2007 at 05:02 PM
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I love them, I just did my first video shoot and they work very well,
and the light stands are better then the Arry light kit stands.
The big case is just great, I can use it for my strobes too.

Anyways, I have 2 arri light kit and I think the amova works well.
All I am saying is that I get the same quality of light from the amova kit compare to the arri light kit. I even use fluorescent lamp to light and interview and I am about to try led strobes lights for interviews. Light is light, you can change the color or do anything you like with it.
Maybe the lights from amvona will break next week but they did performed well this week.
I am very happy with them, and I may be able to use the softboxes with my strobes.



Here the mess that I do every week.

http://jramos.net/New/st/3.jpg

http://jramos.net/New/st/2.jpg

http://jramos.net/New/st/1.jpg


Regards,
jose



Regards,
Jose


I agree with you on the Arri stands and most of the kits stands as well , they are crap . The lights amvona sell are made for the amateur market . I made a mistake years ago and bought some of the cheap e-bay crap lights and they fell apart on the ride to the shoot . A grand worth of lights that were in pieces in only a short time . If that is all a person can afford fine , but if you are going to rely on them go with pro lights . There are companies that sell used Hollywood lights fairly cheap like in my other post here . Mole 2K lights can be had for $150 and you can get them cheaper if you buy more than one .

AS far as hmi's go you can get a ballast and a head for way less than you think and it is a quality unit .




Sep 06, 2007 at 06:00 PM
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p.1 #12 · ARRI Lights - Expirience? Alternatives?


If you need to save money, the Lowel Omni/Tota kits are fairly well priced, and as Eric said before, they put out a lot of light for small units.

a 2 Omni/2 Tota kit with stands, reflectors, barn doors, gels, umbrellas, and other goodies all in a good hard rolling case runs a little over 1k. They have various kits at different pricepoints, and for the price, you get a lot. Their stands are flimsy, but the lights are small enough that they work just fine.

Jose, good to see another video person here. Hows that collapsible green treating ya? I was considering getting one, but I shoot a lot of vehicles, so I'd need one the size of a small truck to actually cover my purposes.

Max



Sep 06, 2007 at 06:18 PM
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PShizzy,

I love it!! I had 12 X14 green backdrop that it was too much work to setup so I got this one from ebay for $45 and I love it.

Do you have a video site?
where are you located?

Regards,
jose



Sep 06, 2007 at 09:02 PM
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Jose,

No video site, I do industrial photography and corporate video (so like pictures of automotive stuff, and talking head or instructional video). I'm an employee, so the photos and video are all work product, which is fine because I'm a salaried employee with health and other benefits.

Ebay huh.Send me a link please. I'm looking to get a few of those. Do these happen to have the chroma blue on the other side?

BTW, I'm in Phoenix AZ. If you ever wanna bs about video, feel free to PM or email.

Max




Sep 06, 2007 at 09:23 PM
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Max,

Here is he link to 5 ft x 7 ft Chroma Key Popup Backdrop by savage.
http://cgi.ebay.com/5x7-POPUP-BLUE-GREEN-CHROMAKEY-CHROMAKEY-BACKDROP-NEW_W0QQitemZ200146821024QQihZ010QQcategoryZ79005QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

I paid $45 including shipping.

Cool, we do similar work.

I got the JVC GY-HD110U, I like it because you can shoot 16X9 and 4X3.

Same to you!

Regards,
Jose



Sep 07, 2007 at 12:11 AM
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I own a Sony PD-170. Great low light and focus ability, but a bit long in the tooth feature wise (no 24p or 30p, just 60i).

At work we use a Panasonic DVX-100B. Since it's corporate, we're not big on progressive yet, but I may change their minds yet.

Thanks for the link, much obliged.

Max



Sep 07, 2007 at 01:44 AM
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Max,

I have never use the PD-170 but I heard only good things about it, I had the DVX-100A
and I loved it, the colors and and quality were great!

I am thinking on getting this strobe lights for small interviews, they give about 123 Footcandles and they use only 12W. I was thinking on getting 4 of them.
I don't the the color temperature will be a big problem.

http://www.chauvetlighting.com/fixtures/ledtechstrobe_fix.shtml

What do you think.

Jose



Sep 07, 2007 at 02:04 PM
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Well, considering the DMX controls, it's not really meant for video lighting, but rather as lighting installation for music.

How bout the Lowel Ego. has 2 27W flouros in it, that are daylight balanced. 100 bucks (90 at Adorama if you buy more than 1)

I'd buy 3 or 4 and go to town. According to spec, the CRI is 90 plus. The sun (considered the standard color rendering index) is 100, so this thing is pretty color accurate.

How much are the LED's you're looking at, I didnt happen to find a price.

Max



Sep 08, 2007 at 01:31 AM
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Thanks very much everybody, I found your responses very, very helpuful!

I have purchased pair of ARRI 1000plus because that is all they had on stock with the pair of Mathews stands. I have also on order pair of ARRI 5000.

Additionaly, I know I can use diffusers but I thought that ARRI would have 2 or 4 channels dimmer controllers, however not much luck there.

Do you guys have any suggestions who would have 2 or 4 channels dimmers, of course good reliable ones! NOT by Magic Gadgets

Cheers


Edited by Natasa Stojsic on Sep 08, 2007 at 11:23 PM GMT



Sep 08, 2007 at 05:52 PM
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You are going to need something like this http://tinyurl.com/2czrjx if you want to dim a 5K light . Best bet would be to scrim it or put a lower wattage bulb in it . You could also rig one of these http://tinyurl.com/2f3ns7 to run a few lights although you need an electrician to wire the box if you build your own . Also remember as you dim a hot light the color temp gets warmer .


Sep 08, 2007 at 06:22 PM
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