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p.24 #1 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


silverhalide wrote:
Thanks, LotsToLearn, I'll check it out.

Without getting too deep into the cross border shopping debate, I'll just mention that Amazon has a Canadian subsidiary, which I'd be happy to buy from (or any other Canadian company) -- at this point I'm more interested in making sure I get the camera in time for the trip than saving a few dollars. However, I was frustrated by the fact that Amazon.com had a waitlist, but Amazon.ca didn't.

E.


I don't believe Amazon.ca sells photo equipment. I just checked and didn't see anything listed..

As for where to buy in Canada... If you need it sooner, you're probably better to order with a good local retailer who will offer a competitive price rather than with a large online vendor. You have a better chance of being at or near the top with the local shop.

Ron



Aug 21, 2007 at 04:11 PM
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p.24 #2 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


That's great news. Now we just need a horizon-levelling tool! (The most frequent reason that I need photoshop when converting/pp'ing my photos)

Jan


silverhalide wrote:
DPReview discusses the new picture style editor (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos40d/page4.asp), but what I find exciting is the the update to DPP coming with the 1DsIII (which I assume will be available for download for all cameras):





Aug 21, 2007 at 04:24 PM
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p.24 #3 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


The 30D was a joke. The 40D is worth its weight in gold as an upgrade compared to the pathetic excuse the 30D was. Canon is now only destroying Nikon further and leaving them far off in the dust. Especially with the release of the 1Ds3.


Aug 21, 2007 at 04:25 PM
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p.24 #4 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Welcome Cody.


Aug 21, 2007 at 04:26 PM
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p.24 #5 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


As an upgrade the 30D wasn't overly special wrt the 20D. But I bought a 30D after (briefly) owning an XT (didn't care for the interface). And then I bought another new 30D less than a month ago at a price that was dropping seemingly daily because of (then) speculation of the 40D.

Would I like to exchange my newest 30D for a 40D? Maybe - once I see what the new release can do given its specs.

However, until I buy a 40D, a 5D, a 5DMkII, or whatever, I'm very pleased with what I already have - the introduction of a 40D, 50D, or whatever doesn't change one bit the images my 30D records.

Maybe investing has taught me to be relatively unemotional when it comes to spending money. But the 40D's release has certainly not angered me: I'll just keep shooting!



Aug 21, 2007 at 04:52 PM
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p.24 #6 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Jman13 wrote:
The viewfinder has 0.95x magnification vs. 0.9x magnification on the 30D...it's larger, and it has interchangeable focus screens.



This alone has finally convinced me to upgrade from my 350D.




Aug 21, 2007 at 04:55 PM
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>> "And I don't think of it as merely an emotional choice."
> You're responses are full of emotional responses.
> Ex. "and if I'd just purchased a 30D I'd be angry." If it were done purely for logical > rational, there'd be no anger.

Your example is specious and unrelated to the context of my query. The sentence you quote is one that would be made AFTER a decision/purchase, not before. My query is regarding criteria PRIOR to a purchase. Moreover, the word "merely" is non-exclusive. By definition it means there can be emotion, but not to exclusion.


>> Canon "purposely" half-steps product development rollouts, to keep the buzz
>> alive and us reaching for our credit cards.

So the new 1Ds is a half-step and people should avoid it because the "real" upgrade is coming in 12-18 months? Not being facetious here, but if that's the case it's good to know.


>> Trust me, the answer to "How will I know?", is an emotional response cause if
>> there's no emotional response, you knowing the specs of the camera you're
>> upgrading from (5D to 5D Mk II), then it's not worth upgrading to cause sans the
>> emotion of need, there's no need to upgrade.

See above for definition of "merely" once more, but this point is also specious -- because there's no need to own a camera AT ALL, much less to upgrade. Saying things like this provides no useful information, so why say them?


>> When it's worth upgrading to, you'll know and eighteen months later, Canon will
>> come out with another half-step model, just so as to keep the money coming in

Did that happen with the 5D or the 1Ds?


>> It's all about emotion and logic has nothing to do with it.

I disagree.



Aug 21, 2007 at 04:58 PM
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p.24 #8 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Jan Kristensen wrote:
That's great news. Now we just need a horizon-levelling tool! (The most frequent reason that I need photoshop when converting/pp'ing my photos)

IIRC, the camera itself supports rotating an image +/-5 degrees when sending from direct print. Naturally I can't remember where I saw that, and it almost sounds like a joke, so take it with a grain of salt.

However, if true, I can't image that DPP/Zoombrowser wouldn't also implement it.

E.



Aug 21, 2007 at 05:35 PM
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p.24 #9 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


yeah I read that too about the adjustment to +/- 5 degrees. Also though being able to put in the grid focusing screen will help when shooting landscapes and such. Hooray for swap-able screens.


Aug 21, 2007 at 05:55 PM
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Cody Larson wrote:
The 30D was a joke. The 40D is worth its weight in gold as an upgrade compared to the pathetic excuse the 30D was.

Crap, I'd better just put a gun in my mouth now....didn't realize I'd been shootin'
with a joke for the last year and a half. Any brilliant comments about the 1DmkII
while your at it, Cody....I'll go ahead and pull the trigger.



Aug 21, 2007 at 06:03 PM
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alfarmer wrote:
Everyone's hyped about the 40D, but they JUST came out with the 30D for goodness sakes! Why the heck do they need a 40D? What the heck are Canon thinking? Makes absolutely no sense to me, so hopefully someone can shed light on this confusing product announcement...

ALF



I would say it is time for new 5D more than for 40D, but Canon replacing faster whatever they selling better. Same like Honda changing Civic every year and Acura one time in 4-5 years.
To me it is good since I am looking for good crop camera with all latest bells and still own 5D, to me best SLR I ever have.



Aug 21, 2007 at 06:12 PM
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Amazon.com apparently was confused about just what they were taking pre-orders for yesterday... If you read the description on their web page for the kit with the 28-135mm IS lens... you will see at the bottom, it describes a 18-55mm IS lens... I think customers and/or someone at Amazon questioned that description that seemed to conflict with the main heading of the product listing. At one point amazon changed the heading of the kit so that it said 18-55mm IS as the lens with the kit... Yet, Canon's USA press release said from the beginning that the Kit would include the 28-135mm IS lens, at a price of $1499... Amazon has since confirmed to at least one person who pre-ordered that the kit was with the 28-135mm IS lens and they have put the product heading back to the text that states 28-135mm IS lens in the kit... Other places in the USA are also listing this kit with the 28-135mm IS lens... including Ritz, Adorama, and Best Buy (in their in store inventory)...

So, it's 99.9% certain that the kit that will initially ship in the USA is with the 28-135mm IS lens. I pre-ordered mine from amazon on the 19th (before Canon officially announced the 40D, but Amazon put info up early)... The only reason I even consider a kit, was because the price difference between the body only and this kit is only $200... the lens is easily worth that, no matter how you look at it.

It seems the 18-55mm IS lens is not going to be available as early as the body is... and I suspect that is why the 28-135mm IS was choosen as a stop gap measure... why Canon choose to sell these 40D kits at the this price, is somewhat of a mystery... but I think it's a very good deal.


Stunnaz wrote:
I also pre-ordered from Amazon with the 28-135mm for $1,499 and it still shows 28-135mm under my order history. I hope it stays that way as the 28-135mm appears to be a more valuable lens than the new 18-55IS.

If the kit comes with the 18-55IS then I also might cancel the order and just purchase the body. But then I know I'm very high on the Amazon list as I ordered right when they accidentally showed the webpage. I'd like to keep my order at Amazon since shipping/tax is free and they've got a lenient return policy.




Aug 21, 2007 at 06:14 PM
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p.24 #13 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Does anyone remember when the Digital Rebel came out at the same price as the 40D is now? I would say its a pretty good improvement since those days.

for the price it is i actually cant believe anyone has anything to complain about.



Aug 21, 2007 at 06:18 PM
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p.24 #14 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


Partial weather proofing? 'Scuse me, but doesn't that sound worthless to anybody else?


Aug 21, 2007 at 06:20 PM
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p.24 #15 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


DynoMoHum wrote:
It seems the 18-55mm IS lens is not going to be available as early as the body is... and I suspect that is why the 28-135mm IS was choosen as a stop gap measure... why Canon choose to sell these 40D kits at the this price, is somewhat of a mystery... but I think it's a very good deal.


I suspect they're doing it for one or more of:

a. to dump stock of the 28-135 IS (which is a popular lens, a good lens for the money but nevertheless first gen IS and also a bit old in the tooth now)

b. alot of people seem to have a hard-on for IS these days and its one of the cheapest IS lenses (if not the cheapest) available in numbers until the 18-55 IS is available in volume

c. its just a good and relatively cheap 'all rounder' lens and thus a good starter lens for DSLR newbies

And yes, you're quite right that for the price it is a good deal.



Aug 21, 2007 at 06:22 PM
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p.24 #16 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


By the way, can anyone tell me how fiddly these user-changeable focus screens are? Does it require nerves of steel and the delicacy of a surgeon to swap one over? Last time I ever contaminated a focus screen accidentally it was a return to base job to get it cleaned. I just have visions of it being about as forgiving a procedure as bomb disposal.


Aug 21, 2007 at 06:26 PM
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Cody Larson wrote:
The 30D was a joke. The 40D is worth its weight in gold as an upgrade compared to the pathetic excuse the 30D was.


Yikes, if the 30D is a joke, my 10D must be a real piece of *$%&.

Seriously, even if the 30D doesn't offer too much more than the 20D, the 30D is still a great camera, capable of creating great images in the right hands.

--tom



Aug 21, 2007 at 06:32 PM
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>> Canon "purposely" half-steps product development rollouts, to keep the buzz
>> alive and us reaching for our credit cards.

"So the new 1Ds is a half-step and people should avoid it because the "real" upgrade is coming in 12-18 months? Not being facetious here, but if that's the case it's good to know."

It's well known that Canon has several cameras of the 1Ds line, already on the drawing board, in various stages of development as they have to do a heck-of-a-lot of design work (future casting) in regard to the manufacturing/implementation process. They manufacture all their sensors in their very own chip plants and need to deal with design engineering based upon the continuously in flux, state of emerging technology; What has Applied Materials announced today? or What startling new break throughs have been announced, and by whom? This, of course is all dependent on product availability (contracts have to be signed) and what the competition is doing; all the while they have to set up and train personnel for both the present and upcoming manufacturing lines.

In the short, a camera is not to be avoided, but bought and used, based upon your needs (emotion) as it'll "always" be obsoleted by the next model in short order.

>> Trust me, the answer to "How will I know?", is an emotional response cause if
>> there's no emotional response, you knowing the specs of the camera you're
>> upgrading from (5D to 5D Mk II), then it's not worth upgrading to cause sans the
>> emotion of need, there's no need to upgrade.

"See above for definition of "merely" once more, but this point is also specious -- because there's no need to own a camera AT ALL, much less to upgrade. Saying things like this provides no useful information, so why say them?"

Agreed, so the act of owning a camera is strictly emotional but the information is useful, it's just that some don't realize how useful my above is. We're an emotional based creature. Need (emotion), the mother of invention.

>> When it's worth upgrading to, you'll know and eighteen months later, Canon will
>> come out with another half-step model, just so as to keep the money coming in

Did that happen with the 5D or the 1Ds?

That's a trick question in that it will happen with the 5D but the 5D hasn't been superseded yet, so it hasn't happened with the 5D but it has happened with the 1Ds as the improvements are incremental as opposed to the next evolutionary step. The roll out of the 1Ds was revolutionary (crop Vs FF) and now it's incremental; evolutionary (evolving). It all started back in the beginning with the D30 and it has basically been an incremental horse race since.

>> It's all about emotion and logic has nothing to do with it.

"I disagree."

An expected emotional response.

Again, you'll know when it's time to upgrade cause when your cockles light up.....

For me, it's time to upgrade the 10D to the 40D but I'd like to wait and see what comes of the 5D.

See, it's not time for me to upgrade the 10D cause I can "rationalize" waiting which is an emotional response.

Edited by BeeMan458 on Aug 22, 2007 at 06:00 AM GMT



Aug 21, 2007 at 06:34 PM
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p.24 #19 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•


tmr_wa wrote:
Yikes, if the 30D is a joke, my 10D must be a real piece of *$%&.

Seriously, even if the 30D doesn't offer too much more than the 20D, the 30D is still a great camera, capable of creating great images in the right hands.

--tom


I took his statement, to mean that the "upgrade" of the 30D from the 20D was a joke. Not that the camera itself is a joke.



Aug 21, 2007 at 06:37 PM
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I guess I would hope that changing the focus screen is easier then it is in the 300D... I too got mine dirty about a week after I got the camera... I thought I ruined the camera when I tried to clean it, etc... If changing the screen on a 40D, I sure hope it's a little easier...

Having said that... I could probably do a better job on my 300D screen now that I've done it before... I'm sure it gets easier with experience.



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