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1D MkIII Poll #3: Does yours have AF issues?
<#505xxx: YES, it has AF issues PollPollPoll 27 2%
#505xxx - 509xxx: YES, it has AF issues PollPollPoll 9 1%
#510xxx - 514xxx: YES, it has AF issues PollPollPoll 20 1%
#515xxx - 519xxx: YES, it has AF issues PollPollPoll 15 1%
#520xxx - 524xxx: YES, it has AF issues PollPollPoll 22 2%
#525xxx - 529xxx: YES, it has AF issues PollPollPoll 16 1%
>#530xxx: YES, it has AF issues ------------------------- PollPollPoll 10 1%
<#505xxx: NO, it works as advertised PollPollPoll 20 1%
#505xxx - 509xxx: NO, it works as advertised PollPollPoll 18 1%
#510xxx - 514xxx: NO, it works as advertised PollPollPoll 23 2%
#515xxx - 519xxx: NO, it works as advertised PollPollPoll 25 2%
#520xxx - 524xxx: NO, it works as advertised PollPollPoll 34 2%
#525xxx - 529xxx: NO, it works as advertised PollPollPoll 20 1%
>#530xxx: NO, it works as advertised PollPollPoll 23 2%
[I don't plan on owning a MkIII; show me the results.] PollPollPoll 1104 80%
Total Votes 1386 100%

Archive 2007 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?

  
 
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p.3 #1 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


Here is the original image not cropped. Just wanted to illustrate how much was going on in the frame.. I had the AF set to Servo, Center point, and surrounding assist points, Speed set to 1 step below default (slower). I also had it at ISO 200 with Highlight Priority ON.









Aug 15, 2007 at 12:02 AM
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pcho wrote:
Mine is as advertised. I have done running shots and numerous birds in flight shots using 45 focus points as well as single centre focus points with great success.Works fine with one shot mode as well. Only thing is, it is winter here and I have not been able to test it in hot days yet. I will have to wait for spring to arrive

One thing too, I have not fiddled with any custom settings nor micro focus adjustments on any of my lenses. I have tested with 500F4 and 300f2.8 lenses. So that also eliminates issues raised about
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Not really... it just means yours is working properly for your subject matter. I'm still seeing more inconsistent AI Servo AF behavior with my Mark III and my 400 2.8 IS than with my 600 f/4 IS. But that's my findings. Can't claim it's a general problem. As I stated before in the previous poll thread, it's possible it's also a problem caused by my lens because in the past I have had certain lenses that didn't work as well on certain bodies as they did on other bodies. What I see with the 400 is generally OK focus accuracy but a fair number of shots that are back focused and a few that are front focused, and this is based on evaluation of recent indoor/evening/night sports events. I haven't seen the same level of AF inconsistency when using the 600 at the same kinds of events (mostly football).

I voted yes, there is an AF problem and the camera's serial # is 505xxx. I've only had the firmware updated by Canon to 1.0.9 and by me to 1.1.0, no other servicing yet as I'm still waiting for delivery of a second Mark III. Once I receive it, I'll compare it to the first one and send in the first one to Canon for servicing.

One Shot AF seems to be very good and other than the somewhat flaky AI Servo behavior, am very happy with other aspects of the camera. Even with the AF problems, I feel I'm getting at least as high a percentage of keepers as I did with the Mark IIN cameras, especially at lower light levels where the Mark III's AF seems to be more responsive.



Aug 15, 2007 at 04:17 AM
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p.3 #3 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


Wednesday tally with 100 units voting:

<#505xxx: YES, it has AF issues 9 9%
#505xxx - 509xxx: YES, it has AF issues 5 5%
#510xxx - 514xxx: YES, it has AF issues 8 8%
#515xxx - 519xxx: YES, it has AF issues 4 4%
#520xxx - 524xxx: YES, it has AF issues 4 4%
#525xxx - 529xxx: YES, it has AF issues * 6 6%
>#530xxx: YES, it has AF issues 1 1%
Subtotal YES 37 37%

<#505xxx: NO, it works as advertised 8 8%
#505xxx - 509xxx: NO, it works as advertised 6 6%
#510xxx - 514xxx: NO, it works as advertised 12 12%
#515xxx - 519xxx: NO, it works as advertised 15 15%
#520xxx - 524xxx: NO, it works as advertised 11 11%
#525xxx - 529xxx: NO, it works as advertised * 7 7%
>#530xxx: NO, it works as advertised 4 4%
Subtotal NO 63 63%
* (These two numbers adjusted to correct one miscast vote)
TOTAL SAMPLE 100 100%

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Aug 15, 2007 at 07:21 AM
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p.3 #4 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


Nill, we got accustomed to the chart….

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Aug 15, 2007 at 07:37 AM
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Jeff wrote:
Ron, how is your AI Servo tracking sensitivity set? I'd be curious to see if changing it to one click on the 'fast' side would change anything. I was getting a fair number of backfocused shots with the occasional front-focused shot as well, and moving one click to the fast side seems to have cleaned up that issue a bit.


Jeff,

It's set between slow and normal. I've played around with that setting somewhat and found for the field sports I photograph regularly, setting it to the faster settings has caused problems when a player is momentarily blocked by something closer to the camera. Even at the semi-slow setting, I've found the AF tends to jump rather quickly. If I remember, I'll give your suggestion a shot at my next football game. Over at the naturescapes forum, in the huge Mark III thread, one of the guys (LesZ) recommended BIF be done at the fast setting, which makes sense since usually a BIF is the closest object to the camera. I think I will probably use the fast setting for specific situations where I know the subject will usually be the closest object to the camera.

My CF III settings are: 2-semi-slow, 6-5, 7-2 (I've made adjustments for the 400 2.8, which seemed to have helped somewhat), 8-2, 10-1 and 16: set H to 9 fps, L to 8 fps. I usually shoot at 8 fps and it "seems" to improve results somewhat, though I have not made a controlled direct comparison against 10 fps. I've used 4-1 somewhat but am not convinced it made a difference. 5-1 I've found to be too dangerous for my liking, having been burned using it a couple times.

Way back in early June I commented on the AF problems I had photographing a triathlon with the Mark III. Some of it was due to poor AF point placement, but where I saw the greatest problem was with relatively slow runners in a backlit situation. AF was all over the place! At that time I had CF III-8 at 0. Setting it to 2 (I haven't tried 1) has since seemed to help, as has the aspect of the firmware update that keeps the AF from jumping to higher contrast information in the background.

I'd like to point out that I also had issues with AF accuracy in sports situations with the 1D Mark II and IIN. Backlit was usually a problem. In any case, it always produced more oof frames in a sequence than shooting with full sun on the subject (I like the look of backlit a lot, so endured the poorer results). This was what I immediately noticed with the Mark III at the triathlon in June, but that the initial results were considerably less consistent and focus was much farther off when it was off. Night sports also caused problems for the Mark II series, where often the fps rate would really slow down while the AF tried to track the subject, often with mixed results. Here I find my Mark III does considerably better and even though there are some oof frames, overall it produces a higher percentage of usable images. I feel the poor AF performance I've sometimes experienced with the Mark II series, and now the Mark III, have to some degree been caused by low subject contrast combined with less than optimal AF point placement. CF III 8-2 seems to have helped my situation and so has using off center AF points, which I previously rarely used for action because I found the non-cross type to struggle under fast paced situations. Yet even though these changes to how I set up and use the camera have improved the Mark III's results, it's now flawless, especially with the 400 2.8 for some reason.

A point I'd like to make is the need for each photographer to test the camera with a variety of lenses under a range of situations before coming to a conclusion. If I only ever used the Mark III with my 600 and not the 400, I would feel more confident in its AF performance. Even more so if I rarely shot sports or moving subjects in challenging situations.



Aug 15, 2007 at 12:46 PM
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I find it curious that Canon Japan, has not had any Mark 3's for sale since June 14th. Does that mean that the limited availability we have seen in other countries indicates that the export pipline was already flowing and is just slow to stop? We always hear that the Japanese consumer is most unforgiving. From reading these forums I get the impression that many westerners are willing to take a chance on the Mark 3 and expect Canon to solve the problem. Canon's silence on the reported AF problem coupled with the unavailability of the camera in Japan, make one wonder if any fix, short of hardware modifictation is possible.
Cheers,- John



Aug 15, 2007 at 01:46 PM
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Mariner wrote:
I find it curious that Canon Japan, has not had any Mark 3's for sale since June 14th. Does that mean that the limited availability we have seen in other countries indicates that the export pipline was already flowing and is just slow to stop? We always hear that the Japanese consumer is most unforgiving. From reading these forums I get the impression that many westerners are willing to take a chance on the Mark 3 and expect Canon to solve the problem. Canon's silence on the reported AF problem coupled with the unavailability of the camera in Japan, make
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Just out of curiousity, how do you know there have been no MKIII sales in Japan since mid-June? It would be kind of interesting. Canon has stumbled very badly in camera sales in Japan. Their sales there for the first half of this year are 10% lower than a comparable period from 2006 (and I believe they've ceded the #1 slot in Japan to Nikon.) Which is not the case in the rest of the world where camera sales increased quite a bit.



Aug 15, 2007 at 03:52 PM
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p.3 #8 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


My simple example test.
Shot a flower at noon in high contrast while set up on a tripod. Ap5.6, Tv 640, ISO 250, single shot with AF.
I used a 100mm canon2.8 macro.
I only changed Ap to 2.8 and reshot. The second shot was horribly OOF.
I have used my other body, 1Ds MKII, as a comparison using the same settings and didn't suffer any probs.
Same result with other set ups using 70-200 L and DsII but found the AF on the DIII was very intermittent.
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Aug 15, 2007 at 08:30 PM
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p.3 #9 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


515xxx

I have AF problems with One Shot, AI Servo. Seems to backfocus badly.

Ryan



Aug 15, 2007 at 09:23 PM
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Paul B wrote:
Just out of curiousity, how do you know there have been no MKIII sales in Japan since mid-June? It would be kind of interesting. Canon has stumbled very badly in camera sales in Japan. Their sales there for the first half of this year are 10% lower than a comparable period from 2006 (and I believe they've ceded the #1 slot in Japan to Nikon.) Which is not the case in the rest of the world where camera sales increased quite a bit.


Paul,
In all honesty, this information comes from several different sources all posting on "Digital Photography Review". Perhaps Canon is facing issues in there home market, I can't say but it would be interesting to hear from FM'rs who are based in Japan.
Cheers-John



Aug 16, 2007 at 06:55 AM
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p.3 #11 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


Canon is slow to admit problems. Did they ever admit the focus problem with the new 50/1.2? I thought sales were halted, then started up again with no announcements.


Aug 16, 2007 at 08:34 AM
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jjlphoto wrote:
Canon is slow to admit problems. Did they ever admit the focus problem with the new 50/1.2? I thought sales were halted, then started up again with no announcements.


Well they did admit the 24-105 and 70-300 problems.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.




Aug 16, 2007 at 08:46 AM
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p.3 #13 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


And they did a hardware fix on the first generation 1D to correct banding problems...

Sorry the charts are still unavailable. New router on the way.

Here's the Thursday morning tally:

<#505xxx: YES, it has AF issues 9 8%
#505xxx - 509xxx: YES, it has AF issues 7 6%
#510xxx - 514xxx: YES, it has AF issues 8 7%
#515xxx - 519xxx: YES, it has AF issues 5 4%
#520xxx - 524xxx: YES, it has AF issues 7 6%
#525xxx - 529xxx: YES, it has AF issues * 7 6%
>#530xxx: YES, it has AF issues 1 1%
Subtotal YES 44 39%

<#505xxx: NO, it works as advertised 10 9%
#505xxx - 509xxx: NO, it works as advertised 6 5%
#510xxx - 514xxx: NO, it works as advertised 12 11%
#515xxx - 519xxx: NO, it works as advertised 15 13%
#520xxx - 524xxx: NO, it works as advertised 13 12%
#525xxx - 529xxx: NO, it works as advertised * 8 7%
>#530xxx: NO, it works as advertised 5 4%
Subtotal NO 69 61%
* (These two numbers adjusted to correct one miscast vote)
TOTAL SAMPLE 113 100%

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Aug 16, 2007 at 09:15 AM
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p.3 #14 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


Man, I've wondered for years, and I gotta finally scratch that itch - Nill - how the heck do you pronounce your name?


Aug 16, 2007 at 01:22 PM
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So far, the only number group that statiscaly shows the best AF performance at 13% is 515xxx - 519xxx. Since users with more recent serial numbers still reporting AF issues, then the theory of a fix after a certain serial number doesn't seem to be valid. In addition, the changes are only trickling in now, pointing to a total number of FMers owning this camera at around 115-120 or so as of today.


Aug 16, 2007 at 01:23 PM
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wtlloyd wrote:
Man, I've wondered for years, and I gotta finally scratch that itch - Nill - how the heck do you pronounce your name?


Which one? ;-) Nill is pronounced just like it looks, rhymes with Bill (in English that is, it's a German name and is probably pronounced neel in that language). Toulme is pronounced Tool-may. It's French and generations ago had the accent over the e. The whole thing is a fine old Southern name if you go far enough south — Gulfport, Mississippi. Get out of sight of the former French-speaking regions of MS and LA though and all I get is "say what?" ;-)

To figure out how many times in my life I'd had to spell my name for someone, I'd start by calculating how many days I've been alive and multiplying by ten...

Thanks for asking.

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Aug 16, 2007 at 01:43 PM
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AGeoJO wrote:
.... In addition, the changes are only trickling in now, pointing to a total number of FMers owning this camera at around 115-120 or so as of today.


I think we had about 200 cameras represented in the old poll. Checking...

Actually it was almost 300 — 240 yes's and no's plus another 52 "not sure yet's."

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Aug 16, 2007 at 01:44 PM
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p.3 #18 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


I was having focus issues every now and again in one shot mode. I discovered that my thumb and hand would sometimes touch the AF button on top and on the vertical grip.

Since disabling the AF button I am not seeing those issues anymore.



Aug 16, 2007 at 06:20 PM
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p.3 #19 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


Shot the kids rugby this morning.

Out of 360 shots, 30 were oof ... 90% keepers

Have set focus respons to one point slower than mid, and it is a little slower to kick in (maybe a little too slow?) but keepers on par with 1DIIn



Aug 17, 2007 at 09:04 PM
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p.3 #20 · •Poll v3.1: MkIII have AF issues?


Good to see you back up and charting Nill


Aug 18, 2007 at 09:32 AM
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