p.3 #1 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
nikt wrote:
I was just having a laugh actually. I was just somewhat "open eye wowed" when I saw it in the news section of DPR. Hey, he could have given me a credit.
But more seriously, someone pinching pics, and claiming as there own... well, cut off his gonads for that!!
How can you claim to own pics that were obviously "borrowed" from the US Patent Office web site, Nik?
After the fuss started, I thought about emailing Phil Askey to attribute the credit to you, but unfortunately his email address is not readily available. Now that I've read the rather insulting and libelous comments posted here, I'm not so sure you deserve it.
After all, since the information has been already been published on Wikipatents and several other sites, it's a bit of a stretch to say you *discovered* it anyway - it's in the public domain. You were merely the first person (as far as I know) to mention it on a photo discussion forum.
p.3 #4 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
Cliff, I was talking about ReyGays pictures being stolen. When I said I was having a laugh, I meant I was just joking around about me having a credit. Thought it would be ironic, because I didn't have anything to do creating the patent, just 'finding it'. See the big laughing icon.
p.3 #5 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
Tentacle, I was trying to visualise myself what the chip pixels would look like. D1x came to mind. I suspect should they have something like that, they'd produce large pixels, so we'd end up having less of them on a chip.
p.3 #6 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
I've turned into a patent junkie!
This thing has exploded on the net. Everyone is running with the story; type in nikon full colour sensor into google, and it just comes up with pages of links. Whether the sensor is real or not, doesn't matter.
I'm glad its out there, regardless of any misunderstandings. Its added some fun and lively debate into things.
I'm up for some flame fanning! Yeah, pretty much almost everyone in the stores is saying they're starting to hear stock is on its way. No-one knows anymore about it though.
This technology wouldn't be in the D200s though. I'd be hesitant to even say it would make its way to the next D, though you never know. Reason I called the thread "D something"
p.3 #8 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
One of my co-workers is trying to get a second D200 for a couple of months now. (Both he and his fiance are loving digital photography, so a second body is needed.) And so, yes, over here (The Netherlands) the D200 is very hard to come by.
p.3 #10 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
I 've been floating around the net reading peoples thoughts and views on Nikons patented sensor technology. I think its good to see so much interest in the topic actually. Glad I was part of it.
So much of the discussions on the forums seem to involve how efficient it would be in gathering light (second only to the technical challenge of actually producing the sensors).
I'll have to see if I can compile a some of them for those who are interested.
p.3 #11 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
Ken is right though, nothing is real until it actually is real. Its not just those talking about the Nikon range of cameras here either. The video industry blogs and forums have picked up on it as well. But this could have massive connotations IF it were producable.
IF (I do love to highlight that word ) it lives up to the hype, is producable and Nikon licence the patent, this could be a real financial benefit for them.
p.3 #13 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
Texas Instruments invented the Digital Micromirror Device way back in 1987, and its since gone from strength to strength (DMD is the technology used in DLP projectors). They're now talking about producing tiny DLP devices that can be used in things like a mobile phone.
So making these types of devices has the potential to happen. Where there's a will , there's a way. Its the cost of manufacture that could be the stumbling block I suppose.
p.3 #14 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
nikt wrote:
Ken is right though, nothing is real until it actually is real. Its not just those talking about the Nikon range of cameras here either. The video industry blogs and forums have picked up on it as well. But this could have massive connotations IF it were producable.
IF (I do love to highlight that word ) it lives up to the hype, is producable and Nikon licence the patent, this could be a real financial benefit for them.
But from what I've seen, it's not the sure-fire Bayer killer some may think it is.
Ok, so it may not need an AA filter anymore and it can use more efficient dichroic mirrors, compared to traditional dyes in bayer filters. But the photo sites themselves have to be quite small to fit underneath the micro lens (so they take a hit in DR) and the dichroic mirrors will be a pain to produce. I wonder how effective those equally small dichroic mirror will be if they measure only a few µm by µm. Edge-effects may come into play.
p.3 #15 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
True.
Though by not having an AA or dye filters, letting more light in has the effect that you don't need as much light to start with (since bayer filters will only let in 1/3 of the spectrum per pixel). That means that you can use the smaller photodiodes , which will also require less power, and therefore have a lower base noise to start from.
That of course, is the underlying theory. As you say, the small dichroic mirrors will be problematic. But lets assume they can produce a chip and they can produce the mirrors. The DR will still be the problem. Of course, I expect they would be looking at all of this.
We know the DR comes from how many photons you can store in a well, we tend to think of it in terms of circumference.I just wonder if they are thinking of it in terms of depth.
I'm no physicist, so I don't presume I know anything about this. But.... google is my friend.
p.3 #20 · Rumours: D3 something/D200 upgrades and technologies
Nik, thanks for the info on 123di. I downloaded it, it is quite comprehensive. An excellent bit of tutorial software. I see he talks about LBCAST, CMOS and CCD. First time I've read it so easily.
Since what I've read, CMOS uses a smaller diode area than CCD, and contains an amplifier on each pixel. Inherently, CMOS is noiser than CCDs. Just shows how well Canon do with their processing I suppose.
