DynoMoHum wrote:
Mostly I think the idea that Canon had a much less dramatic 40D ready for a spring launch and now somehow managed a show stopper in just six months of effort seems almost laughable.
Not really laughable. although Canon may have never intended to release the 40 prior to now they may have "woke up and smelled the roses" so to speak at how well the lower end Nikons we're selling. They probably had features they did not plan on putting in the 40D that ended up in this model anyway so they could nip Nikon in the butt.
I'll be curious to see if everything that is said on Northlight is true. If it is, I'm guessing you won't see a Nikon 300 before christmas because Nikon probably doesn't have anything that would match a 40D with the Northlight specs.
surly wrote:
That is a good question
I guess for some folks there is a need but I think it kinda defeat the purpose of RAW. Would it be that much faster? If its that big a deal couldnt one set WB correctly before shooting?
What advantage do you folks see with sRAW?
i'm not sure. i guess maybe for photjournalists, where they don't need much res for print and want to save on processing and space resources and need to do a bit more highlight saving than jpg allows (but didn't they add highlight priority mode?) and, if lower res is ok and fine for newsprint why is superior tonal control? would that really do much for newsprint??
for sports maybe smaller size helps clog things up less, but don't many sports photographers crop quite a bit and at sRAW a lot of cropability would be lost.
and for direct to web, isn't sRAW rather large for web images, by almost twice?
i could see if they make it 12MP then give us an optimaly averaged for lower noise 8MP option for raw, but sRAW is much smaller than 8MP.
anyway, i'm sure there is a use. i vaguely recall seeing people clamoring for it a while back.
David Estes wrote:
[Not really laughable. although Canon may have never intended to release the 40 prior to now they may have "woke up and smelled the roses" so to speak at how well the lower end Nikons we're selling. They probably had features they did not plan on putting in the 40D that ended up in this model anyway so they could nip Nikon in the butt.
I'll be curious to see if everything that is said on Northlight is true. If it is, I'm guessing you won't see a Nikon 300 before christmas because Nikon probably doesn't have anything that would match a 40D with the Northlight specs....Show more →
But price just matters!
In Denmark where I live you can get a D40 at 3300 dkr (~ 600$) after some refund thing. The 400D is at 4900 dkr (~ 890$).
Almost everyone I know who are not having a very strict budget will buy the Canon (and most will go for the 30D), - but a lot of my friends are poor students, - and they'll go for the Nikon.
And I fully understand them, - but in a year or two they'll get some more money and buy a nice lense and another one and within too long they are nikonians.
I believe this is the biggest problem for Canon right now. And I believe that Sony will put even more pressure on the prices within too long. Basically they don't have any market share, nothing to loose, nothing to protect, - but a lot to win. And they have to do something to do that!
I read somewhere that 'soccer moms' are one of the big buyers of Nikon D40. I guess Canon can live with that. These 'soccer moms' are probably not going to 'evolve' and start being passionate amateurs or professionals. Or said in another way, - they'll live with the kitlense and the same body for 5 years at the least.
But there is also young people who are photoaddicts but with very scarce resources.
Well, I might just be worrying to much. Whatever happends nor Canon neither Nikon are going out of buisness!
Direct to web is possibly a good use for it... I really don't think you'd need more then 1936x1288 for that...
I guess the reason I don't see it as being anything I would use much... is for me, when I take photos, I just never no for sure if the photo I take that day is going to be the best one of my life or not... and I'd sure hate to have the camera in sRAW at the moment the stars and the moon aligned for me.
Maybe I need sRAW+LargFineJPEG... (is that a option?)
DynoMoHum wrote:
I"m mostly in agreement with everything DaDane said...
I will say this however... if the 40D is all that... then it may make it harder for me to get one early on... as I think the demand would be pretty high... given all those that have been whining about how earlier rumor specs that suggested something a little less... I think there would be many of those people changing their tune (albeit quietly to avoid embarrassment)...
Mostly I think the idea that Canon had a much less dramatic 40D ready for a spring launch and now somehow managed a show stopper in just six months of effort seems almost laughable. ...Show more →
it's not like they would be starting from scratch and not likely it would be only six months difference in design time.
surly wrote:
What advantage do you folks see with sRAW?
I personally see no advantage, not even to wedding photographers for candids at the reception, which was Canon's supposed reason for including it (you never know when you might need/want to crop in). About the only use I can fathom is for product photography being presented on the web. Beyond that, I'm mystified.
I'd guess that the 1D MkIV won't have that 'feature'... (woops! I can't believe I even used the term 'MkIV'! )
Steve Torelli wrote:
These rumor sites are just so reliable, I mean, they're never wrong ! And the reason is they have informants inside Canon who feed them exclusive, classified information.
If the 40D was for July ( right on the money again !) then the 1DS-MKIII must be for September. Or October, or maybe December or just keep coming back to the site and getting the latest scoop, heck, they'll get it right sooner or later, and in the mean time their site hits keep going up and up.
then again sometiems they are correct. and the 40D is for july was plain stupid to begin with since canon never releases any DSLR then. NEVER. don't discount all because of some that are obviously 100% for sure foolish. otoh, it is more than time for the 40D and 1DsMkIII to be imminent now and the 5DmkII not too far off either.
anyway, we'll see, almost certainly within a few days, if they 40D matches this or not.
Interesting rumors... I'll trust them about as much as I trust the typical person's comments you find on the internet... that is, I don't trust it much at all... at least not until I've seen the person give valid and accurate information on many other occasions... and in this particular case, we have absolutely no idea who even composed the rumor, let alone where they supposedly got the information.
Interesting reading, but I wouldn't bet a nickel on any of it being accurate.
Yes... I'm beginning to feel like Jeff... particularly when you figure that CF memory cards are around $12 or $15/GB... That's only $0.19/RAW image from a 14bit 10MP Canon camera... and that's if you never re-used the memory card. I'm not sure how many photos the typical wedding photographer takes... but say it's 2000 a wedding, you could cover that with about $400 worth of flash memory cards at todays prices.
I personally own and use portable storage devices and/or a laptop to off load my memory cards onto hard drive... and I get by with a few GB of flash... and really don't ever fear running out of memory for photos.
Martin Jordan wrote:
Makes you wonder what they'll do with lenses then as 40/50 MP is surely going to be vastly outresolving existing EF mount glass? Unless of course they're planning on going into medium format or something.
Canon actually announced some time back that they were working on a 50 mp sensor so it's not a rumour. Unfortunately it's got nothing to do with DSLRs either. It's some kind of hi tech industrial camera.
Jeff wrote:
I'd guess that the 1D MkIV won't have that 'feature'... (woops! I can't believe I even used the term 'MkIV'! )
I don't know if any one has thought that far ahead (besides you Jeff), but I just had a thought about that.
Will there be a Canon 1D Mark IV? The reason I ask is the avertion to the number 4 in Japanese culture (the word for four sounding like the word for death.) There's no EOS 4 or G4. No Powershot S4 IS, etc. What do you think.
Caleb Williams wrote:
I don't know if any one has thought that far ahead (besides you Jeff), but I just had a thought about that.
Will there be a Canon 1D Mark IV? The reason I ask is the avertion to the number 4 in Japanese culture (the word for four sounding like the word for death.) There's no EOS 4 or G4. No Powershot S4 IS, etc. What do you think.
yes, Canon will announce the MarkIV, saying that they don't believe in silly superstitions. Four months later Canon will announce bankruptcy.
Ive posted it several times, Ive known for a while the 40d and 1DsMk3 have been ready for a while. But Canon decided to keep developing aditional technologies and hold off releasing the cameras. In part to buy the current models a bit more time given they basically still lead the market even though some, like the 1Ds mk2 are basically 3+ yr old models.
Nikon has been historically slowed down by sensor technologies (remember the D2h noise fiasco!, 4mp, noisy and almost inmediately Canon releases the 1Dmk2 with DOUBLE the mp!) since they are not totally in their control (sony). That is just a huge dissadvantage in the dslr marketplace. ...Show more →
Wow, you're giving yourself a lot of credit. Since you "know" what's going on, why don't you tell us?
Sorry to pick on your post, but I think it takes a lot of brain power and astute prognostication to come up with "Canon decided to keep developing", something...
I mean really, what is possibly going to be new at this point for a 40d (or whatever it's called)? A new 5d next year? I've been saying that for since last year so I guess I'm on the inside track. No competition for the 1Ds, now there's another surprise.
I'm sorry, but you've said absolutely nothing to shed any light on anything. I realize that I have nothing to divulge, but I don't claim to know something secret either....
Since I'm raining on the parade here, I think that Northlight site is one of the poorest sites on the web. Nothing ever comes from it. It simply recycles rumors found here, DPR, and then it becomes self-referential when people here parrot what was written there. It's baffling that people aren't smarter about that site, but what are you going to do
DynoMoHum wrote:
Interesting rumors... I'll trust them about as much as I trust the typical person's comments you find on the internet... that is, I don't trust it much at all... at least not until I've seen the person give valid and accurate information on many other occasions... and in this particular case, we have absolutely no idea who even composed the rumor, let alone where they supposedly got the information.
Interesting reading, but I wouldn't bet a nickel on any of it being accurate.
i'm not so sure about it all myself, nevertheless after reading the most recent northlight rumours, i did quickly log onto my stock trading account and transfer all my life savings into canon stock. ah, whatever, we'll see.
jamesf99 wrote:
Wow, you're giving yourself a lot of credit. Since you "know" what's going on, why don't you tell us?
Sorry to pick on your post, but I think it takes a lot of brain power and astute prognostication to come up with "Canon decided to keep developing", something...
I mean really, what is possibly going to be new at this point for a 40d (or whatever it's called)? A new 5d next year? I've been saying that for since last year so I guess I'm on the inside track. No competition for the 1Ds, now there's another surprise.
I'm sorry, but you've said absolutely nothing to shed any light on anything. I realize that I have nothing to divulge, but I don't claim to know something secret either....
Since I'm raining on the parade here, I think that Northlight site is one of the poorest sites on the web. Nothing ever comes from it. It simply recycles rumors found here, DPR, and then it becomes self-referential when people here parrot what was written there. It's baffling that people aren't smarter about that site, but what are you going to do...Show more →
at least each individual rumour there is self-consistent unlike on that silly Gizmodo.
I am personally excited about sRAW. I do a lot of shooting for the high school my daughters have gone to. One thing I shoot is all of the Show Choir competitions they go to. For the actual performance pictures I want full resolution. I also shoot a lot of behind-the-scenes pictures that are purely for two reasons. The first is because the kids all want pictures of them hugging their friends or acting goofy for the camera. The second reason is for fun shots that will be a part of the photo montage I do at the end of the season which will be displayed at TV resolutions or at most, 1024 x 768 on a computer. These pictures do not need to be full resolution. However, I hate going to JPEG and losing the post-processing power of RAW.
(is that a option?)
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