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p.52 #1 · 40D is for july


J.D. wrote:
I'm a 10D owner looking to upgrade but I'm not sure whether I'll go the EOS 30D or a used 1D - probably the 30D at this stage. What I'm really curious about is your comment on the AF problems of the 20D. Did that also apply to the 10D?



I think early 10D models had some minor front focus issues which created a lot of buzz about the "problem". I have two Canon refurbished 10D's and the focus accuracy of those cameras is AMAZINGLY good! Which really makes me think that the earlier models may have had calibration issues which Canon could have addressed if you sent your camera to them for repair. I much prefer my 10D's to the 20D and XTI that (briefly) owned.

That said, if the 40D includes focus improvements to the 30D system the I probably won't be able to resist buying one. 6 fps would even make me jump to the front of the line....



Aug 18, 2007 at 11:18 AM
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p.52 #2 · 40D is for july


18th We were sent (thanks) a very comprehensive email covering what Canon has been up to and some pointers to what they are going to be doing over the next couple of years. I've paraphrased some of the details for the senders benefit, but if true then it represents some very interesting developments. Here it is in full:

40D - it's ready, but they did have a 40D ready in Feb/March, but it was regarded as just a bit to similar to everything else. It seems that Canon have put a lot into the 'new' 40D to get back market leadership in
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There's even more insider info about the 1Ds3 (already being used right now under NDA), 5DMkII ("feature complete" now=16MP, DiGICIII, 14bit A/D), 400D replacement (due Mar.'08), Canon 1-pass steppers that can do larger than 35mm sensors, lower voltage CMOS FF sensors (w/40 & 50MP & close to 100% sensor area active pixels), DiGIC IV, 16-bit RAW, ISO 6400 "easily" & 12800 boost w/ next-gen low voltage CMOS sensors, etc...

[url]http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html[/url]



Aug 18, 2007 at 11:42 AM
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p.52 #3 · 40D is for july


http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html


Aug 18, 2007 at 11:56 AM
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p.52 #4 · 40D is for july


Yep, posted this on the very long 40D thread. Very interesting, just goes to show that Canon is not keeping its eyes off the ball...


Aug 18, 2007 at 12:01 PM
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p.52 #5 · 40D is for july


Now that is an interesting read!

I think he is right in a lot of the things, - but I don't really think he has inside info.
I don't think the 40D was ever planned to be out in feb, now is the time and that have been planned long ago. It might very well be ready to be announced in feb in some form, - but that would only be for emergency reasons (the competition changed radically and Canon had to get something out the door soon). But I am not sure if they can afford to have these never-hitting-the-market-models just in case?

The 'more than FF' sensors could very well be true, - but I don't see the point. That would mean new lenses and everything.

The 40 and 50 MP full frame, - I heard that somewhere else. Doesn't mean it's true however. The rumours from one place are sometimes used to build "new and improved rumours" :-)

The features for 40D does sound very good though, time will soon tell us weather or not they are true (14 bit processing, highlight preservation, multiple custom functions, faster, half the noise level of the 30D, more weatherproofing. Lots of 'trickle down' features from their pro models). Especially 'halft the noise level of the 30D' sounds very nice. I am not totally sure how to read that though. I guess they mean same noice one stop later (noise level of 30D at ISO 800 is approximately 40D at ISO 1600). If that is so, - they are surely doing well!!!

The 5D replacement sounds pretty much like a 40D with larger sensor, just like 5D is pretty much 30D with larger sensor (well, I know it have a few good things up it's sleeves). So that sounds about right or perhaps a bit underplayed.

Does anyone know what the 'fill ratio' is today (how many percent of the light hitting the sensor actually goes to a photodiode?)

The paragraph about the competition is a bit funny. They where shocked/surprised by the D80, D40 and D40x, but now they know what's comming...

Digic IV is pretty much 2 Digic III in one box, - sounds about right. Hopefully it has a bit more than that though. (It sounds like the 40D are getting two Digic III, - so probably the 400D replacement will as well, - and then they might as well cram the two together in one chip).

16 bit RAW. I like the '16 bits per channel giving true HD quality'. Don't know what it means but it sound cool . However HD normally means higher definition, - and actually have nothing to do with colorspace or bits/channel, - right?

As said, I am not to sure they actually have inside info, - but it all sounds very likely. Canon are improving noise level, getting more pixels, getting more features, are aware of competition, working on more colors (bit/channel) and higher dynamic range etc.
That's what they have done the hole time isn't it? Of course they are making progress! Perhaps not this fast, but we are getting there for sure.

But part of me hope they are right about the 40D. It would mean that I would feel compelled to change my camera though, - but at least I would get something out of the change.



Aug 18, 2007 at 12:17 PM
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p.52 #6 · 40D is for july


Sinope wrote:
I don't see it this way. I was a 10D owner (still am) and was not impressed with the 20D due to the poor focussing and lockups etc. The camera did improve in production but it was really the 30D that ironed out the problems and settled into a great camera sufficient to attract many (not all) of the left over 10D upgraders.

The 40D would have to be extremely good now to get me to upgrade, (highly unlikely) but I predict it will attract a lot of 20D owners, most of the diehard 10D owners and a good many of
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I've never heard of any lockups or issues with the 20D. Sure,it's not the best with focusing,but 30D does not fix that a bit. Maybe you had a faulty camera or just read too many rumors.



Aug 18, 2007 at 12:28 PM
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p.52 #7 · 40D is for july


Makes you wonder what they'll do with lenses then as 40/50 MP is surely going to be vastly outresolving existing EF mount glass? Unless of course they're planning on going into medium format or something.


Aug 18, 2007 at 12:36 PM
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p.52 #8 · 40D is for july


I"m mostly in agreement with everything DaDane said...

I will say this however... if the 40D is all that... then it may make it harder for me to get one early on... as I think the demand would be pretty high... given all those that have been whining about how earlier rumor specs that suggested something a little less... I think there would be many of those people changing their tune (albeit quietly to avoid embarrassment)...

Mostly I think the idea that Canon had a much less dramatic 40D ready for a spring launch and now somehow managed a show stopper in just six months of effort seems almost laughable.



Aug 18, 2007 at 12:47 PM
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p.52 #9 · 40D is for july


DmitriM wrote:
I've never heard of any lockups or issues with the 20D. Sure,it's not the best with focusing,but 30D does not fix that a bit. Maybe you had a faulty camera or just read too many rumors.


The only 20D lockup I've heard about or experienced is related to the grip. However, I am not sure it is due to "flexing" or anything like that. I've gone to disabling the grip controls unless I am actually using them, and haven't had a lockup since. So, what I think happens is that hitting the wheel on the grip with the heel of your hand and camera at the same time might have something to do with it. This problem also ossurs with the 30D, which of course uses the same grip.



Aug 18, 2007 at 12:58 PM
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p.52 #10 · 40D is for july


The 20D had some lockup issues, - at least if you used Sigma lenses. But I think also with Canon.
Mine locked up a lot. Had to take out battery. But quite soon there was a software update.



Aug 18, 2007 at 01:00 PM
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p.52 #11 · 40D is for july


DynoMoHum wrote:
I"m mostly in agreement with everything DaDane said...

I will say this however... if the 40D is all that... then it may make it harder for me to get one early on... as I think the demand would be pretty high... given all those that have been whining about how earlier rumor specs that suggested something a little less... I think there would be many of those people changing their tune (albeit quietly to avoid embarrassment)...

Mostly I think the idea that Canon had a much less dramatic 40D ready for a spring launch and now somehow managed a show stopper
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Yes, I agree. The only major thing that they could have tweaked in such a short time would be software, which is a significant piece of the puzzle. They might have added some more AF customization from the 1d series, as well as tweak some of the algorithms. They might have had time to deepen the shooting buffer or had latitude to speed the shutter recycle time from 5 to 6.x



Aug 18, 2007 at 01:03 PM
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p.52 #12 · 40D is for july


.. although I have thought all along that the 30D was released with the same sensor as 20D because they didn't like the noise from th 10mp 1.6 sensor they could produce at the time. Perhaps the real meaning got lost in translatio0n or traveling through many people and the reality is that the sensor to originalloy go in the 30D got delayed from feb 06 to now.


Aug 18, 2007 at 01:07 PM
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p.52 #13 · 40D is for july


WHOAHH!!!

That new Northlight stuff has me drooling all over the keyboard.

Especially the suggestion that Sony has litho optics (Wasn't Nikon making these for Sony?) that can do full frame sensors in single lithography passes, which in turn apparently has forced Canon to develop the same. That will drive full frame sensor prices down like mad!



Aug 18, 2007 at 01:11 PM
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p.52 #14 · 40D is for july


I'd say there's a lot of BS included on that page... It mentions new stepper technology to manufacture full frame sensors in one pass (Canon FF sensors are manufactured in 2 litho passes). The 3 main players in litho are ASML, Nikon and Canon, and they all have maximum field sizes of 26x33mm, so it's still impossible to image a 24x36mm sensor in one go.




Aug 18, 2007 at 01:12 PM
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p.52 #15 · 40D is for july


I don't think the 30D was ever supposed to have a different sensor. And I think that whatever sensor the 40D get, - the 50D (for feb. 09) will get as well, unless the competition will force Canon to do something else).
I think this makes a lot of sense! The sensor technology are not changing that rapid and also it's quite expensive. So having two models using the same sensor would make a lot of sense!

One thing that is missing is the megapixel count for the 40D. It just doesn't say!

I would be happy with just 8 megapixels (if the other things including 'half the noise of 30D' are true!), but I think that megapixels sells. And if, as I believe, Canon want to keep this sensor for three full years in the xxD series, - they might be forced to take compromises and give out more megapixels at the cost of quality. I don't have knowledge to estimate how many megapixels would be sufficient to keep the sales people happy for three years, but anything in the range of 10-16 megapixels or even more would be a good guess I would say. If I should guess a specific number, - I would say 12 or 14. 10 megapixels are here already and in 1 or 2 years that would seem a bit on the low side. But as I said, I would be happy with 8. And who knows perhaps Canon are bold enough to keep it at 8, - and try to educate the salespeople that megapixels just isn't the goal anymore



Aug 18, 2007 at 01:17 PM
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p.52 #16 · 40D is for july


Mostly everything said here: http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html makes sense, kinda states the obvious but seems quite credible.

Ive posted it several times, Ive known for a while the 40d and 1DsMk3 have been ready for a while. But Canon decided to keep developing aditional technologies and hold off releasing the cameras. In part to buy the current models a bit more time given they basically still lead the market even though some, like the 1Ds mk2 are basically 3+ yr old models.

Nikon has been historically slowed down by sensor technologies (remember the D2h noise fiasco!, 4mp, noisy and almost inmediately Canon releases the 1Dmk2 with DOUBLE the mp!) since they are not totally in their control (sony). That is just a huge dissadvantage in the dslr marketplace.



Aug 18, 2007 at 01:24 PM
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p.52 #17 · 40D is for july


More interested in lenses...I used to not like these threads but have come to think they are interesting...any lens rumors of note? ...not the wish-list we all have.


Aug 18, 2007 at 01:27 PM
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p.52 #18 · 40D is for july


Making sense and being credible are the hallmarks of any good rumour




Aug 18, 2007 at 01:42 PM
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p.52 #19 · 40D is for july


These rumor sites are just so reliable, I mean, they're never wrong ! And the reason is they have informants inside Canon who feed them exclusive, classified information.
If the 40D was for July ( right on the money again !) then the 1DS-MKIII must be for September. Or October, or maybe December or just keep coming back to the site and getting the latest scoop, heck, they'll get it right sooner or later, and in the mean time their site hits keep going up and up.



Aug 18, 2007 at 01:42 PM
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p.52 #20 · 40D is for july


I havent heard anything regarding lenses other than a new low end kit lens with IS. Nikon has more lens options in the low to mid range and a few unique high end options like the 200-400mm f4 VR zoom and the 200mm f2 VR both of which are great lenses. That is one aspect where Canon doesnt have a lead.


Aug 18, 2007 at 01:43 PM
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