Monito made up the idea that "canon does not owe johnnygcanon anything"? Might as well say that monito made up the idea that the universe doesnt revolve around you either. The 20d was upgraded (i'm looking at a 30d right now, its pretty cool), and even if it wasnt, as monito said, so what? If you can find a multimillion dollar corporation willing to tailor-make high-tech devices to your demands, good luck, batman. Also, why on earth would anyone be motivated to bring out something new do to the loud urgings of someone who, on the one hand says "canon's selection is terrible and needs an update badly to keep me happy!", while, on the other hand says " I will NEVER, EVER, dump canon, no matter what!!". If I heard that statement, I would definitely keep handing you last years model at twice the price since you clearly arent going to shop somewhere else anyway. The fact is, no amount of petulant crying and hand-waving is going to make canon release a new camera before they decide its the most profitable moment to do so.
Photonik wrote:
Monito made up the idea that "canon does not owe johnnygcanon anything"? Might as well say that monito made up the idea that the universe doesnt revolve around you either. The 20d was upgraded (i'm looking at a 30d right now, its pretty cool), and even if it wasnt, as monito said, so what? If you can find a multimillion dollar corporation willing to tailor-make high-tech devices to your demands, good luck, batman. Also, why on earth would anyone be motivated to bring out something new do to the loud urgings of someone who, on the one hand says "canon's selection is terrible and needs an update badly to keep me happy!", while, on the other hand says " I will NEVER, EVER, dump canon, no matter what!!". If I heard that statement, I would definitely keep handing you last years model at twice the price since you clearly arent going to shop somewhere else anyway. The fact is, no amount of petulant crying and hand-waving is going to make canon release a new camera before they decide its the most profitable moment to do so....Show more →
FredMiranda.com is a most unfriendly place for sure! I've never read such childishness and anger! Wow! Is everyone on here that way?
JohnnyGCanon wrote:
FredMiranda.com is a most unfriendly place for sure! I've never read such childishness and anger! Wow! Is everyone on here that way?
No, not everyone, just some people:
JohnnyGCanon wrote:
I'm still complaining and will continue until I'm satisfied that Canon CAN bring out an updated 20D.
danmitchell wrote:
Common everyone... just let it go, OK? (Or take it to private messaging.)
Thanks.
Wouldn't it be nice if, since Canon has made it clear there will be no 40D at PMA, everyone would just let that go until the next logical time for introduction 6 months from now. At this point, endlessly complaining about what one feels Canon should have done is pointless after we've heard it over and over. It is very evident from the body they did introduce Canon is very interested in advancing the technology in their bodies(pretty much addresses the question of "can". Logically those advancements first appeared in one of 2 flagship models, and will very likely be represented in the 40D (or whatever it is called.) The 30D is scheduled for an update in the fall if we apply Canon's past policy, so it isn't shocking, or even remotely strange that they didn't bump up their timetable.
OK, now that that is out of the way, let's consider what's in store in the future. Canon will replace the 30D at some point. They will replace all those "old" lenses as well, even if they are already very good lenses. And the 5D - it will be replaced as well. But obviously not at PMA. Perhaps in May, or September, or next year. Who knows?
As for the punctuation, there was a reason for the placement of the colon. I will not comment further on that (probably).
JohnnyGCanon wrote:
When do we talk about cameras and lens and stuff?
Perhaps when you stop dominating the thread with your one-issue, which has devolved to your nonsensical speculation about Canon being incapable of releasing a follow on to the 30D.
Monito wrote:
Perhaps when you stop dominating the thread with your one-issue, which has devolved to your nonsensical speculation about Canon being incapable of releasing a follow on to the 30D.
Forums are for opinions and exchanging of ideas. Just because you don't like my opinion and think it's wrong doesn't make it that way. You too are dominating the thread with your whining and childish behavior and trying to change my mind through brute force from you.
All I'm saying is my opinion and I'll continue because that's what forums are all about. And, I have more than one issue: Canon and it's inability to bring out the 20D/30D replacement, people with boorish behavior, why there isn't a word that rhymes with orange, and a few other esoteric subjects.
Canon will, when they can, bring out a replacement camera. It may be next year or the following but I'm sure they will. I've been buying Canon for over 30 years so what's another couple
OK, now that that is out of the way, let's consider what's in store in the future. Canon will replace the 30D at some point. They will replace all those "old" lenses as well, even if they are already very good lenses. And the 5D - it will be replaced as well. But obviously not at PMA. Perhaps in May, or September, or next year. Who knows?
As for the punctuation, there was a reason for the placement of the colon. I will not comment further on that (probably).
The placement didn't escape me!
I agree. Let it go. As far as Canon, the way I see it, the longer they wait to replace their camera models, the better they will be. I was actually hoping for a 40D, but the longer they take, the more I lean toward a 5D or whatever its successor is. Now, what is a colon exactly?
"And, I have more than one issue: Canon and it's inability to bring out the 20D/30D replacement...
Canon will, when they can, bring out a replacement camera. It may be next year or the following but I'm sure they will. I've been buying Canon for over 30 years so what's another couple"
Sounds like you just resolved your own issue, lets move on.
I really don't understand what the problem is with the 30D! OK, it wasn't much of an upgrade from a 20D, but not everyone is comming from a 20D. When it was released, it was still top dog in it's class. Just because Nikon came out with the D200 does not mean the sky is falling. Heck, if you look at actual availability, the D200 hasn't really been around that long. I actually had a choice between systems when I left Minolta after the Sony takeover and I chose the 30D over the D200. I did it for two reasons, IQ at higher ISO's and most importantly the system as a whole.
Canon didn't release a replacement to the 30D yet because it was too soon. As much as it was a small upgrade, the 30D was an upgrade. If my choices would have been between a 20D and a D200, the outcome may have been different. No way I was buying a camera with a 1.8" LCD and no spot metering. It would've been rough because the Canon lens system is so superior, but who knows. I personally wouldn't be worried about a 30D replacement until after the 18mo normal product cycle is over, although I personally believe we'll see it before then.
Ha. You non believers! Told you Canon weren't realeasing a 40D or 5D this PMA. Now, anyone know how many new inkjet papers they have in the booth?
The 40D is coming later this year. It won't have a fovean sensor , sorry. But it will be a great camera and you can 'finally' have your D200 killer. I do believe that it will be a sort of mini 1D. Should be a beauty.
But the 30D is already a great camera. It takes a great photo, has low noise at high ISO. Ok, so it doesn't have weather sealing. How will everyones photography improve? I'm curious.
Sales in stores have crawled to a near halt on the rumourware that the 40D was coming. What is the camera lacking that their photography is being held back and limited by the 30D's capabilities. That they are better photographers than this camera?
I think people are allowed to vent their opinions. So before the flame throwers and knives come out, I'm not picking on anyone.
nikt wrote:
The 40D is coming later this year. It won't have a fovean sensor , sorry.
I would expect any improvements or change in sensor technology would start at the top tier of a product line. So since the 1D3 is already revealed, it's more than obvious that a Foveon or Truecolor type of sensor won't be put forth by Canon anytime soon. Besides I think that particular technology, while decent, still needs some maturing.
For now, I'll keep my eye on developments with the Sigma DP1 and SD14 lines to satisfy my Foveon jones.
Once its available proper, and I can test etc, I'm seriously considering a DP1 for the arsenal. I think you'll also see Canon and Nikon release something in the next 12 months with this sort of niche market in mind... like the DP1 and Ricoh GR fold.
Don't be shocked to see a fully waterproof model with an APS-C sensor. Canon, Nikon, Sigma, Panasonic... who cares. Yummy!
