Ah, but think of what you have to look forward to! The excitement, the posts on the forum, the continued speculation....and Canon will just have to make an even better camera when they do finally introduce it or they will be behind the curve. It should be an even bigger step up from the 30D.
Martin wrote:
Is there anyone else who is surprised, or disappointed at the lack of a 30D successor at PMA
Gee, I haven't seen any evidence of those kind of thoughts except for in every single thread remotely pertaining to PMA.
Martin wrote:
As a result, Nikon has been having a field day with new buyers who might have been Canon customers if there was a newer, and more innovative design in this mid price zone (between entry level, and 5D).
Even though we are really in the Canon normal timetable with the 30D in terms of a successor, it has gotten to the point now that a majority of people will certainly be disappointed with whatever Canon announces. Sort of like the 3D; it is basically impossible for Canon to match the hype these models develop, particularly for those looking more for innovation than evolution.
To me... what's even more disappointing then the lack of a 30D successor at PMA is the fact that Canon seems to think they can generate more interest in the 30D by offering up in the form of a bunch of new kits... It's kind like getting some leftovers out of the fridge and putting it on a fancy plate hoping your family won't notice that it's the same thing you've been eating for the past week.
Chris Dees wrote:
Since the D60, and you still stay with this ancient, old fashion, not innovative company?
Exactly my thoughts, all these people complaining how antiquated their 30Ds are, but I see they are all still here in the Canon forum after they tell us how Nikon is offering them so much more. I don't look forward to 6 more months of this endless bashing and speculation; I wish they'd shut-up or put-up and buy into the Nikon system if they think it is superior.
Martin wrote:
Is there anyone else who is surprised, or disappointed at the lack of a 30D successor at PMA
Not surprised...the 30D has only been out a year. If there's a replacement, I wouldn't expect it until August 2007.
Canon has not really released a "new" APS DSLR in the mid price zone since the D60.
What!
Hmmm, there's the 10D, 20D and 30D...we've seen lots of improvements over the years. Bigger sensor, better high ISO performance, higher fps, better AF...of course there is that horrible BG-E2 to complain about, but otherwise things have gone pretty well.
I guess I'm at a loss as to why we really need the 30D to be upgraded yet? Its images still compare very well, if not beat, most of the Nikon's near its price range. I guess I'm pretty content still with my 20D, and am looking forward to new lenses more then a 40D.
Canon is just trying to liquidate it stocks of the 30D that is not selling as well as they thought because it was such a minor upgrade. I think we as consumers should not fall for the packages and lower price of the 30D.
Unless they drop the price to match the 400D.
Hammerli wrote:
Exactly my thoughts, all these people complaining how antiquated their 30Ds are, but I see they are all still here in the Canon forum after they tell us how Nikon is offering them so much more. I don't look forward to 6 more months of this endless bashing and speculation; I wish they'd shut-up or put-up and buy into the Nikon system if they think it is superior.
I'm still complaining and will continue until I'm satisfied that Canon CAN bring out an updated 20D. They pretended they did with the 30D but it was just a warmed-over 20D.
So, I'm not going to shut up and I'm not going to buy into the Nikon system. Maybe some of you that are complaining about other Canon users should. I've been a Canon user for over 30 years and probably will continue no matter who tells me to quit!
I guess I'm at a loss as to why we really need the 30D to be upgraded yet?
I suppose that "we" don't - if "we" refers to those who already own a 30D. However, one suspects that Canon does need to upgrade soon given the increasing number of competitors providing cameras that compete strongly with Canon on features and price.
A short time ago Canon arguably had a significant feature-based lead over the others but that is not the case at the moment. Nikon's newest offerings are very compelling, there is a lot to like in the new Pentax cameras, and Sony could be a strong competitor as well.
While it wouldn't make much sense for a current Canon 30D owner with a few lenses to switch to one of the other companies in order to get a few more MPs, new buyers, especially at the entry-level (those considering cameras in the class of the Canon 400D and 30D) now have plenty of reasons to consider the other brands.
Canon is a smart company. One hopes that they have improvements in the pipeline that are will be compelling enough that a 6-12 month delay will not be a big deal in the long run.
JohnnyGCanon wrote:
So, I'm not going to shut up and I'm not going to buy into the Nikon system. Maybe some of you that are complaining about other Canon users should. I've been a Canon user for over 30 years and probably will continue no matter who tells me to quit!
You don't have to shut up, but don't expect to get respect for being a one-issue squeaky wheel.
Hey, when all of you whiners are ready to jump ship to Nikon because they "1 upped" the 30d, let me know, I'm in the market for some backup gear. I may even sell it back with a small mark-up when you receive your "new innovated Nikon" because you know by the time you get it, it will be outdated and the Canon grass will look greener.
Let's see now. I say screw megapixels, there are more important things that need to be upgraded on "40D".
- more precise AF system.
- that damn CF door - I don't mean the camera shut downs, but the way they are made. They are terribly filmsy. It ruins the overall good feel of the body a bit.
- better battery grip - I'm getting a grip for 20D one of these days, but asking 150$ (here) for a 5$ piece of plastic is travesty. I've heard 5D grip is made from magnesium alloy (partially) so it should be much better than BG-E2.
- programable SET button for mirror lock-up or whatever else needed (easy Custom Function access? - and/or making mirror lock up as one of the drive modes.
It seems that Canon listened to photographers when they were designing 1D mk 3, let's hope they'll do the same with 40D.
Monito wrote:
You don't have to shut up, but don't expect to get respect for being a one-issue squeaky wheel.
Thank you ever so much!
It does make me wonder though, is Canon capable of bringing out a replacement to the 20D/30D? After all, it's been 2 1/2 years since the 20D was introduced. That's way past time to bring a replacement out! Maybe they're having a hard time doing it?
This is the anniversary year for Canon and if all they bring out is one DSLR I'm sure the industry will be shocked! I know I will be. I would hope they can do better than that!
Whatever one's personal perspective is on the need for more megapixels, Canon understands that when the market moves to 10MP APS-C cameras it cannot long stick with 8 MP.
Please note that I'm not arguing whether the difference is photographically significant or not. I am arguing that Canon will be less competitive among buyers, especially first time buyers, if their cameras are perceived as being less capable than the competition.
Relative to other companies, a company can only be in three places: ahead, behind, or equal. Canon was pretty clearly ahead in the low to mid range until recently. I still say that Canon went from winning the "perception battle" (i.e. - they had 8 MP when others had only 6) to lagging behind (others now have 10MP APS-C bodies while Canon only has this on the 400D).
I feel that Canon still does have the edge at the high end with the 1-series cameras and the 5D, though I wouldn't be too surprised to see competition there before long.
Dan
(Who is not whining or planning to "switch to Nikon" or similar... just observing.)
JohnnyGCanon wrote:
I'm still complaining and will continue until I'm satisfied that Canon CAN bring out an updated 20D. They pretended they did with the 30D but it was just a warmed-over 20D.
So, I'm not going to shut up and I'm not going to buy into the Nikon system. Maybe some of you that are complaining about other Canon users should. I've been a Canon user for over 30 years and probably will continue no matter who tells me to quit!
Well, there are a couple of real issues, for the 40D. It needs to sit between the 400D and the 5D, without affecting either, which means that price wise, it needs to come in around where the 30D is.
One thing that people here, tend to forget, is that a new design from the ground up, is very expensive to do, it's much cheaper to take a starting point, since it replaces the 30D, the sensible starting point, is a 30D, drop in the sensor from either the 400D or the 1DMkIII, update the processor to the Digic III, and monkey with the firmware. Maybe they can add a few new features, like some weather sealing, and mirror lockup, a few extra AF points, but it's not going to be everything brand new. Which means post introduction, people will say it's a warmed over 30D, which is a warmed over 20D, ad nausium.
What I find interesting with all this, film camera models, tended to last a long time, some lasted for 5-10 years, People didn't clamour for a new model every 3 months then, but basic designs didn't change much either.
Man..... If you are not going to dump Canon no matter what, then quit kvetching. If you really want a camera better than the 20D (btw, you never mentioned in what ways you wanted it to be better) Go get a uswed 1D2, a 5D, or a 1D3.... If more than 8mp is what you are lusting after, go get a XTI/400D it even has a dust shaker.
Plenty of choices, put up or shut up
Not wanting to be rude or mean but there are more choices now than ever from Canon.
JohnnyGCanon wrote:
I'm still complaining and will continue until I'm satisfied that Canon CAN bring out an updated 20D. They pretended they did with the 30D but it was just a warmed-over 20D.
So, I'm not going to shut up and I'm not going to buy into the Nikon system. Maybe some of you that are complaining about other Canon users should. I've been a Canon user for over 30 years and probably will continue no matter who tells me to quit!
JohnnyGCanon wrote:
It does make me wonder though, is Canon capable of bringing out a replacement to the 20D/30D? After all, it's been 2 1/2 years since the 20D was introduced. That's way past time to bring a replacement out! Maybe they're having a hard time doing it?
I've been wondering if the 20D/30D is "it" for that price point without raising the Mpx (which I don't particularly want). About the only thing I can think of to improve it from the sensor standpoint would be to use the same lens/photosite scheme as the new 1D3 (or a Foveon type sensor). improving AF and maybe importing the 1D3s adjustable AF and adding some sealing would be a good thing too but that'd all probably make it more expensive.
One thing I wouldn't mind is a special version of the 20D/30D dedicated to B/W without bayer interpolation or an AA filter.
Seems to me you're dodging the issues and making this personal which is wrong on this forum in my opinion. Opinions about cameras and camera companies should be what we're talking about, not people like you're doing.
For example to say that Canon doesn't owe me anything is ridiculous and was never said. Canon doesn't owe me a thing and I don't owe them anything. You're making that up.
Your statement about "Nonsense" at the end of your diatribe kind of sums up everything you said.
