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p.67 #1 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


JeanYves Ahern wrote:
Someone told here that the Mark III could possibly be over-passed by a new canon camera at 16mp in about 1 year.
Since all the ingredients are pretty new in the MarkIII( lots of them), is that make sense that thye could release a bigger box?

jean-yves

Depends what you want - as a sports camera the 1DIII will not be over-passed.
The new 1DsIII should come out around the fall though, which might have around 22MP, do if you want that sort of resolution then it will exceed the 1DIII for other than sports work, but it won't be cheap.
My guess though is that the 'someone' is referring to the 5D replacement, whenever it comes out ( perhaps next spring?). If it uses the same microlenses and so on as the 1DIII, it might have around 16MP - but of course the focussing and speed and so on will be much lower than the 1DIII.
So if you are looking for something that does what the 1DIII does, at around that sort of price, then there is no point in waiting - but if you really need a different camera, either of those two could fit the bill - really, if you look at what is out now, if the 1DII is better for you than the 1DsII or the 5D, then the model line up is not going to change, just upgraded models in each slot.
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Apr 30, 2007 at 03:43 PM
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According to a news item on Rob Galbraith's site, the just-released v3.7.7 of Capture One includes Phase One's "first crack at supporting CR2s from the Canon EOS-1D Mark III."

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Apr 30, 2007 at 04:26 PM
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p.67 #3 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


thanks Dave and Nill


Apr 30, 2007 at 06:03 PM
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p.67 #4 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


I would have been a big step forward if Canon had supported DNG with the 1DIII.

Any ideas on what's keeping them from being more photographer friendly?



Apr 30, 2007 at 06:13 PM
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Nill Toulme wrote:
According to a news item on Rob Galbraith's site, the just-released v3.7.7 of Capture One includes Phase One's "first crack at supporting CR2s from the Canon EOS-1D Mark III."

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I just downloaded 3.7.7 of C1 LE. While he release notes don't mention the 1dmkIII, I do notice there is now a color profile for the 1dMkIII.

Gene



Apr 30, 2007 at 08:18 PM
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Arn_ wrote:
I would have been a big step forward if Canon had supported DNG with the 1DIII.

Any ideas on what's keeping them from being more photographer friendly?


Is the DNG format gathering any real steam anywhere?

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Apr 30, 2007 at 09:43 PM
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p.67 #7 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Capture One 4 adds DNG support.

DNG facilitates workflow integration between processing steps among it's many other benefits.

When CO 4 is out conversion of cr2 files to dng will be one of my first steps.

The DAM book covers this in detail, too much info to repeat here.



Apr 30, 2007 at 11:59 PM
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What is DNG?


May 01, 2007 at 12:15 AM
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Nill Toulme wrote:
As I understand it, they can't legally dictate what price the reseller actually sells for, but they can restrict what price it's advertised for. You used to see lots of references to "Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price" or MSRP. Now you more often see "Minimum Advertised Price" or MAP. Then again you'll sometimes see references to "street price," which is what the item is actually selling or expected to sell for.

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I'm not sure if its apples vs. oranges, but Microsoft has done a pretty good job of getting legitimate dealers to not discount there operating systems for quite a while... CompUSA puts nearly everything on sale, but never has really discounted Windows XP, and I see the same thing going on with Vista. May be different with software though.



May 01, 2007 at 06:52 AM
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Wickedfn4u wrote:
What is DNG?


Adobe's "standard" RAW format. Their intent was to get all manufacturers to move to one RAW format instead of each having their own, but thus far it hasn't been embraced by the camera makers.



May 01, 2007 at 06:53 AM
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By whom has it been embraced? That was my question — not its merits, but whether it's actually getting any traction in the market.

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May 01, 2007 at 07:49 AM
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Not many - here's a list: http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/supporters.html

Also embraced by me to get the 20mb files from my Sony R1 down to a more reasonable 10 or 11.



May 01, 2007 at 08:08 AM
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convergent wrote:
I'm not sure if its apples vs. oranges, but Microsoft has done a pretty good job of getting legitimate dealers to not discount there operating systems for quite a while... CompUSA puts nearly everything on sale, but never has really discounted Windows XP, and I see the same thing going on with Vista. May be different with software though.


In the US, a minimum selling price can be contractually enforced legally. This has been true for maybe 15-20 years. I believe Canon only requires a MAP at times.




May 01, 2007 at 09:08 AM
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Tim Gray wrote:
Not many - here's a list: http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/supporters.html

Also embraced by me to get the 20mb files from my Sony R1 down to a more reasonable 10 or 11.


It's funny they do not mention Pentax.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk10d/page2.asp

Image formats
• JPEG (EXIF 2.21) - Best / Better / Good
• RAW (PEF or DNG) + JPEG



May 01, 2007 at 09:11 AM
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stiksandstones wrote:
No one knows....seriously, no one.



A friend of mine pre-ordered it at Ritz. They told him June.



May 01, 2007 at 09:14 AM
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As indicated the hardware support is currently limited to 4 manufacturers.

The traction is mostly on the consumer side.

I'm hoping that as the market becomes aware of the benefits of DNG consumer demand will pull the hardware manufacturers in the right direction.

I would imagine that there's a there there for Phase One to include DNG support in Capture One 4.0.



May 01, 2007 at 09:16 AM
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dcmiller wrote:
In the US, a minimum selling price can be contractually enforced legally. This has been true for maybe 15-20 years. I believe Canon only requires a MAP at times.


Hmm... Can you give some data on this? I'm pretty sure H.R.6971 took care of this back in 1975 (U.S. only, of course).

Look up:

H.R.6971
Miller-Tydings Act
fair trade act
fair trade law


Edit: I Believe MAP may also contain "price maintenance" clauses in some countries, but not in the U.S.



May 01, 2007 at 09:44 AM
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p.67 #18 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


jray wrote:
Hmm... Can you give some data on this? I'm pretty sure H.R.6971 took care of this back in 1975 (U.S. only, of course).

Look up:

H.R.6971
Miller-Tydings Act
fair trade act
fair trade law

Edit: I Believe MAP may also contain "price maintenance" clauses in some countries, but not in the U.S.


You're right, I was thinking of MAP. I guess the FTC can even rule against map in certain cases.
A good reason to always ask if a lower price is available.



May 01, 2007 at 11:26 AM
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I will not be a fan of DNG until Adobe makes it public domain. Anyone would be naive to think that Adobe is promoting DNG just for the benefit of the public. It may be free now, but who knows what Adobe may decide to do once it became the industry standard. Will they drive the cost of other software up by charging higher and higher user fees? Will they crowd out the competition by controlling DNG access. Will they drive the cost of cameras up doing the same to hardware manufacturers. I have visions of Microsoft. There are good reasons why most of the big hardware manufacturers have not adopted DNG.


May 01, 2007 at 12:21 PM
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Mickey wrote:
I will not be a fan of DNG until Adobe makes it public domain. Anyone would be naive to think that Adobe is promoting DNG just for the benefit of the public. It may be free now, but who knows what Adobe may decide to do once it became the industry standard. Will they drive the cost of other software up by charging higher and higher user fees? Will they crowd out the competition by controlling DNG access. Will they drive the cost of cameras up doing the same to hardware manufacturers. I have visions of Microsoft. There are good
...Show more

http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/license.html

Grant of Rights

Subject to the terms below and solely to permit the reading and writing of image files that comply with the DNG Specification, Adobe hereby grants all individuals and organizations the worldwide, royalty-free, non-transferable, non-exclusive right under all Essential Claims to make, have made, use, sell, import and distribute Compliant Implementations.

Complete text at above link

Adobe was also the developer of the tif format and the PDF format and have not done as you speculate with those formats. Your concerns are not well founded.



May 01, 2007 at 03:09 PM
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