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p.31 #1 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Mk III is bad dude. Kinda like cramming a big block 454 into a 75 Chevy Vega. Lotsa BANG for the buck. I can't wait to get my first big boys camera!


Mar 05, 2007 at 05:13 PM
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p.31 #2 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


DaveMart wrote:
You may not have seen the latest addendums to the preview at IR:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E1DMK3/E1DMK3EXPOSURE_INCANDESCENT.HTM
- he has shot in exactly the low-light you are looking for, with excellent results, and
compared it to the 1DIIn
hope this helps, David - IR have done an awsome job on the 1DIII
don't miss his tests on the new highlight preservation facility too


A human subject at slow shutter speeds with two different lenses. Not worth the ttime it takes to read. Just shooting his standard setup in low light would have been useful.



Mar 05, 2007 at 05:42 PM
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p.31 #3 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


dcmiller wrote:
A human subject at slow shutter speeds with two different lenses. Not worth the ttime it takes to read. Just shooting his standard setup in low light would have been useful.


I was thinking the same thing. Either the test setup in low-light, or some actual concert shots.

And should've been using identical lenses, focal lengths, aperture, shutter speeds, etc.

But thanks to the OP for the link, anyway. I hadn't seen that before.



Mar 05, 2007 at 05:58 PM
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p.31 #4 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


That's great!
Just read this in the German magazine called c't (freely translated):

'According to Canon the camera [Canon 1D Mark III] could be even faster. It has been limited to 10 fps, because at many events higher frame rates already count as filming - and the licences for that are manifold more expensive.'

OK then... that probably means Canon is able to make a FF 10fps body



Mar 05, 2007 at 06:08 PM
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DavidP wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. Either the test setup in low-light, or some actual concert shots.

And should've been using identical lenses, focal lengths, aperture, shutter speeds, etc.

But thanks to the OP for the link, anyway. I hadn't seen that before.


Yeah, not a criticism to the OP. I shouldn't criticize test procedures either- it's impossible to make everyone happy. I'm confident there's another stop in the new camera. I'm more interested in tonal quality and other features anyway.



Mar 05, 2007 at 06:13 PM
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p.31 #6 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


wainting for mine the last week of this month 3600 € Spanish price
best regards from Madrid



Mar 05, 2007 at 06:13 PM
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Philippe Arnez wrote:
That's great!
Just read this in the German magazine called c't (freely translated):

'According to Canon the camera [Canon 1D Mark III] could be even faster. It has been limited to 10 fps, because at many events higher frame rates already count as filming - and the licences for that are manifold more expensive.'

OK then... that probably means Canon is able to make a FF 10fps body


Pulling it off the chip is one thing, processing the data is another. AI servo would get progressively worse with higher fps too.



Mar 05, 2007 at 06:15 PM
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p.31 #8 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Stefan wrote:
Anyone noticed the following?
With the Mark 2 you had the following options:

- center point with CF 17/1 which results in 7 AF points (5 of them being cross type!)

- center point with 17/2 (surrounding 2 points in each direction) which results in 18 active points (7 of them being cross type)

With the Mark 3 you get the following options:

- center point with CF III 8/1, which results in 3 active points (only 1 of them being cross type!)

- center point with CF III 8/2, which results in 7 active points (again only 1 of them being cross type!)

WHITEPAPER
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But if you don't confine yourself to the center focus point, then the new expanded area might include several cross type sensors, whereas before you might have had none. I never liked the concept of an 18 point AF area, since that puts an awful lot of reliance on the camera to choose the right point.



Mar 05, 2007 at 06:25 PM
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p.31 #9 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


dcmiller wrote:
Pulling it off the chip is one thing, processing the data is another. AI servo would get progressively worse with higher fps too.


In some ways yes, and in some ways, no it wouldn't. Say you are at the superbike races at Daytona, and a bike is coming at you at 70MPH on the infield. If you take a 1 second series of photos, it doesn't matter if you capture 8.5 or 10 frames in that interval, the focusing of the lens has moved the exact same amount, since the bike has moved the exact same amount. One would be able to capture 10FPS, or 2FPS, but the lens will have tracked the subject at the same speed either way. At some point there is a maximum speed the combo can keep up with, but Canon quotes the ability to track at speeds well in excess of 100MPH depending on subject distance. The mechanical aspect of going above 10FPS is probably more limiting than focus tracking.



Mar 05, 2007 at 06:34 PM
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p.31 #10 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Hammerli, but wouldn`t it be nice to be able to choose the 13 center points (that is center point and 12 surrounding points) alltogether? That would give us an area with 7 crosssensors.
steven



Mar 05, 2007 at 06:57 PM
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p.31 #11 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Stefan wrote:
Hammerli, but wouldn`t it be nice to be able to choose the 13 center points (that is center point and 12 surrounding points) alltogether? That would give us an area with 7 crosssensors.
steven


No, I don't think it would be nice. If you are going to broaden the scope of a single focus point that far, then you've really gotten away from the precision of a single point, and essentially are allowing the camera to choose the AF point, so why not just use full AF. For my uses, I prefer the precision the new system will offer. I don't want the camera doing too much thinking on its own, I'd prefer to limit where else it looks. I don't consider 13 AF points a "manually selected focusing point" anymore.



Mar 05, 2007 at 08:36 PM
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p.31 #12 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


dcmiller wrote:
I'm confident there's another stop in the new camera.


I'm fairly certain of that, as well.

And, like you say, they've addressed so many other little things, as well. And some not so little (like the much improved AF and the addition of so many cross-type high-precision AF sensors in all the right places.

I really did NOT think that I'd be upgrading . . at least until I saw all the specs.



Mar 05, 2007 at 08:59 PM
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DavidP wrote:
I really did NOT think that I'd be upgrading . . at least until I saw all the specs.


You said that same thing when the 1DII came out; at some point you'd think you'd learn your lesson.



Mar 05, 2007 at 09:04 PM
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DavidP wrote:
I'm fairly certain of that, as well.

And, like you say, they've addressed so many other little things, as well. And some not so little (like the much improved AF and the addition of so many cross-type high-precision AF sensors in all the right places.

I really did NOT think that I'd be upgrading . . at least until I saw all the specs.


I was thinking the same, but after seeing that is not a subtle change like the way the 1D2 was to the 1D2N. I've bit the bullet, pre-ordered mine, and decided to deal with the button & menu changes. The use live view feature to manually fine tune your focusing is a definite plus. I'll be looking forward to having this camera in my hands on the day it is released.



Mar 05, 2007 at 09:04 PM
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p.31 #15 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


DavidP wrote:
I really did NOT think that I'd be upgrading . . at least until I saw all the specs.


Me too. I just recently got a used 1D2 thinking that I wouldn't bother with it *ever*, if it had more pixels and just minor upgrades. The *only* thing holding me back is *knowing* what this means for future Canon 1-series, and the next 5D replacement.



Mar 05, 2007 at 09:06 PM
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p.31 #16 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Stefan wrote:
Hammerli, but wouldn`t it be nice to be able to choose the 13 center points (that is center point and 12 surrounding points) alltogether? That would give us an area with 7 crosssensors.
steven

Actually, if you let the camera chose the AF points in servo mode, it uses all the points within the center circle to track, very much like what you are asking. I do this with the MK2N,and it works really well.




Mar 06, 2007 at 01:26 AM
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p.31 #17 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


£2999 thats the price quoted for the new MK3 in the uk, park cameras.

if any one was interested

simon



Mar 06, 2007 at 07:38 AM
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p.31 #18 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


This is on about page 2168 of the 1D3 sticky thread along with associated comments

David



Mar 06, 2007 at 08:00 AM
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p.31 #19 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


sorry, thats strange as it only appeared on the website today!


Mar 06, 2007 at 08:43 AM
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p.31 #20 · •1D Mk III 'Master' Thread •


Same price at Warehouse Express and several others


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