Yawn!
Personally I could care about a live view on the LCD - why would anyone need that on a PJ camera anyway?
In reading the white paper, it looks like the live LCD preview can be beamed wirelessly for remote or tethered shooting. This seems like it could be a useful new feature. You could mount the camera someplace where you could not physically be and then shoot remotely. Sports shooter might love this feature. Imagine shots from the rafters or behind the backboard, or lots of other locations.
dhphoto wrote:
I tend to agree - a jump of 2 meg isn't going to make much difference to the image quality and for me thats what a camera is about.
Nice touches but I don't see enough reason to upgrade
David
I don't think the 2MPs are going to make much of a difference but the changes to the sensor design and the move to 14 bit very well may. The samples from DPR are very impressive. There is a different quality to them that is hard to describe other than to say they are about the most 3 dimensional images that I have seen. Obviously one could respond by saying that of course the Canon supplied samples are good, but remember, this is the same company that provided the crap samples for the 5D including that horrendous shot of the Swiss chalet taken with the 17-40 that caused such a stir.
1D3 at 10fps:
JPEG Large: 110 (11 seconds)
RAW: 30 (3 seconds)
JPEG L + RAW: 22 (2.2 seconds)
1D2n at 8.5fps:
JPEG Large: 48 (5.6 seconds)
RAW: 22 (2.6 seconds)
JPEG L + RAW: 19 (2.2 seconds)
The JPEG Large seems to be the biggest jump there, basically doubling in time you can shoot a burst. A 110 shot burst though...
That's exactly what I wanted to know, thank you.
Finally, the wait is over
Minor point, but kind of wish Canon would put more pixels on the 3" LCD; it has the same number of pixels as in 1D MKII and 1D MKII N. Maybe they will do that in 1D MKIII N.
I find it very telling to see the difference among posters who are excited about this camera vs those who make comments along the lines of 2meg isn't worth upgrading, or even "yawn"
At least for me, as a fulltime sports photographer and photojournalist, this camera appears to be a real revolution in so many ways that I guess maybe one just wouldn't notice unless they actually really USE their camera.
I don't think there's going to be any sports photographers or PJ's who aren't going to be thrilled with all the upgraded features and usability tweaks this camera will provide.
In reading the white paper, it looks like the live LCD preview can be beamed wirelessly for remote or tethered shooting. This seems like it could be a useful new feature. You could mount the camera someplace where you could not physically be and then shoot remotely. Sports shooter might love this feature. Imagine shots from the rafters or behind the backboard, or lots of other locations.
OK - good point, I didn't think of that. Maybe because that isn't my bag
Don't get me wrong - there are many wonderful improvements, several would make me upgrade if had the same resolution as the 1Ds2. The bigger viewfinder (assuming the resolution is good enough), the dust removal system, the 14bit conversion, better AF (especially the micro adjust function!) ad hopefully th better sensor design. Even the dedicated AF button is a welcome improvement.
Looks like the live preview is manual focus only. I think it is more suited for studio and macro work than photojournalistic work. Either way, the overall package is a fantastic upgrade!
I personally find nothing spectacular in the sample images beside maybe, the ISO400 shot with 300F2.8L (the alpin.jpg).
The Eagle at ISO800 is noiseless but lacks any details (taken with 500F4L !)- a typical outcome of the extensive built-in Noise Reduction. A 20D could do the same.
The landscape shots are just OK. With typical CA and lack of edge sharpness from 17-40F4L even at F8 (and we are not talking about FF here). The Original 1Ds won't do any worse (3D effect and color wise).
The portrait samples are on pair with 1Ds outcome.
A side by side comparison between the samples taken with 1DIII and 1DIIn or 1DsII (5D) in the same conditions could help to reveal the benefits of the 14 bits per chan vs the 12 if any
The live preview could be a nice feature for a landscape work to allow a precise focusing for DOF when previewed on a laptop LCD at 1X, but again a live preview of the histogram simultaneously with the image would be needed for a precise exposure adjustment !?
Did anyone else notice you can shoot directly to a USB thumbdrive or external USB hard drive? And it lets you select images to be copied to a external usb drive from the memory card. Page 28 on the white paper. Now I can back up to a cheap usb hard drive while working.
Now I'll have to sell my motorcycle to pay for one.
PKuglin wrote:
Yawn!
Personally I could care about a live view on the LCD - why would anyone need that on a PJ camera anyway?
10 FPS - ok, but I have no need for that. I need quality, resolution and better glass.
Only hope is the 16-35L is a real improvement and cost < $2K
I disagree.
"I think the live LCD viewer would be quite useful for those pro shooters trying to get a shot over someone's head or something. How many times have you seen a sports shooter or paparazzi raise the camera over their head trying to get a shot over the shooters who are closer to the action? I think it was also intended for surveying the scene around you without having to be tunnel-visioned by the viewfinder, so you can be situationally aware of what's around you. I think most war photojournalist would find this extremely useful."
...is what I wrote earlier. But other uses mentioned are also noteworthy. I don't see this as degrading the camera to a prosumer level at all. This demonstrates forward thinking from the collective minds at Canon. Their train is moving forward, and we just have to climb aboard for the ride.
Edited by lord_malone on Feb 22, 2007 at 12:12 AM GMT
Edited by lord_malone on Feb 22, 2007 at 01:09 AM GMT
Some ppl do upgrade the laptops too, so a used one could be had for less especially since they just introduced a never model of that UX line. I love their style but hate the usability due to too much of propriatery (incompatible with the rest of the world) stuff....Sorry for an OOT post
Hey, how about the ability to adjust for front/back focus in the camera on a lens by lens basis! Now that's great news, especially for Canon Service!
(p21 in the white paper).
"I think live LCD would be quite useful for those pro shooters trying to get a shot over someone's head or something. How many times have you seen a sports shooter or paparazzi raise the camera over their head trying to get a shot over the shooters who are closer to the action? I think it was also intended for surveying the scene around you without having to be tunnel-visioned by the viewfinder, and not be situationally aware of what's around you. I think most war photojournalist would find this extremely useful."
is what I wrote earlier. But other uses mentioned are also noteworthy. I don't see this as degrading the camera to a prosumer level at all. This demonstrates forward thinking from the collective minds at Canon. Their train is moving forward, and we just have to climb aboard for the ride.
Edited by lord_malone on Feb 22, 2007 at 12:12 AM GMT...Show more →
Exactly! Now you have a way of seeing what your shooting rather then just holding up the camera and hoping for the best. I don't see why it would be a bad thing to have this feature, Shure your not going to use it as a giant P&S, But I could see a use for it.
