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marcwilson
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p.1 #1 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


So I've put the zeiss zf 35mm on the chinese made cheapo adpater and have not started proper testing yet for infinity focus, flatness, edge sharpness etc but though I'd do some quick wall shots to check the vignetting properties of this lens and show them here...

the lens cap is off..the lens is focussed on the wall about 1 meter away (closest focus is 30cm) and each shot progressively changes aperture....

oh dear..my image upload is not turned on yet..hopefully tomorrow..but in the meantime...


very bad vignetting at 2 and 2.8, bad at 4, fixable at 5.6, gone at F8...Is this amount of vignetting normal..does this make the lens unusbale at this distance?..I am sure I don't remember it this bad on other lenses...
I will test further focus distances tomorrow.




Jan 30, 2007 at 07:06 PM
Tariq Gibran
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p.1 #2 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


Sounds bad to me for a 35mm lens stopped down that much BUT it could also be influenced by your very close focusing distance. Curious what you see at much longer distances.


Jan 30, 2007 at 07:08 PM
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p.1 #3 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


yes..looking forward to trying some more stuff tomorrow morning..right now I ask myself..have zeiss made a crop sensor lens??!!

but seriousely, has anyone else out there tried the zf 35mm on full frame canons?



Jan 30, 2007 at 07:11 PM
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p.1 #4 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


Tariq Gibran wrote:
Sounds bad to me for a 35mm lens stopped down that much BUT it could also be influenced by your very close focusing distance. Curious what you see at much longer distances.


I was think that vignetting will get worse when focus further away. Wouldn't I get a bigger image circle when focusing closer?



Jan 30, 2007 at 10:35 PM
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p.1 #5 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


Cinstance wrote:
I was think that vignetting will get worse when focus further away. Wouldn't I get a bigger image circle when focusing closer?


Thge opposite. Closer, larger image circle (I think) and more vignetting (light fall-off).



Jan 30, 2007 at 10:45 PM
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p.1 #6 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


So I have done more vignette testing this morning with the zf 35mm.
In many real life situations it is fine..I think it it more in the shots with wide one colour spaces that we see the vignetting problem rear its head..as is normal..but of course shooting lots of images with big blue skies this may be a problem!!

I will test against a canon zoom at 35mm tomorrow but in the meantime..now that my image upload is turned on..I'd though I'd post a few samples taken purely for vignetting testing.





Jan 31, 2007 at 04:37 AM
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p.1 #7 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


and closer up focussed at approximately 50 cm...


Jan 31, 2007 at 04:38 AM
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p.1 #8 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


and the flat wall test from yesterday...focussed about 70cm away...


Jan 31, 2007 at 04:45 AM
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p.1 #9 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


This looks pretty normal to me. All the wide aperture wideangle primes I have behave like this. Think about it this way:

one is lucky to get f2 at all
vignetting has never been easier to deal with because of latitude and photoshop
many shots look good with vignetting so it's not always necessary to remove it



Jan 31, 2007 at 05:17 AM
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p.1 #10 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


this is not bad vignetting, Mark.

Cinstance, you get a wider angle the closer you go, except it is an IF lens. ie you need to know this when using wides on a 4x5 camera, like Lotus mentioned



Jan 31, 2007 at 05:27 AM
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p.1 #11 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


I do agree. i normally shoot around F11 on 35mm so am probably not used to seeing vignetting!

will do some detail comparisons with canon zoom tomorrow.

marc



Jan 31, 2007 at 05:28 AM
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p.1 #12 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


So some more testing here on the 35mm zf..i hope these images are usefull..looks quite nice to me.
Difficult to judge on their own but still...

All shots are on tripod with shutter release and mirror up at F8 and around 250th of a second shutter speed and images resized in photoshop up to 50mb which is what I have to do with my dslr images.
processed in C1 with soft look sharpening and then my minimal (getty standard) unsharp mask in PS.

centre area:





Edited by marcwilson on Jan 31, 2007 at 11:45 PM GMT



Jan 31, 2007 at 06:24 AM
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p.1 #13 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


and centre strip right to edge:




Jan 31, 2007 at 06:25 AM
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p.1 #14 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


top strip right to edge..


Jan 31, 2007 at 06:26 AM
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p.1 #15 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


and finally base strip right to edge...


Jan 31, 2007 at 06:26 AM
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p.1 #16 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


thought I should add....regarding the adapters issue..

image quality seems to be the same from both chinese cheap adapter adn fotodiox pro adapter.

infinity focus with fotodiox is spot on at end of barrell..very nice
infinity focus on chines eadapter is just before end of barrel..can live with.

lens moves in the fotodiox adapters..they are being returned.
lens is firm in the chinese adapters

anyone found an adpater that gives correct infinity focus at the barrel's end and does not move yet?



Jan 31, 2007 at 06:42 AM
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p.1 #17 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


got sent this by the german person whom I bought my 35mm from..they spoke to zeiss about the vignetting..which I now see as normal..and were sent along with an explanation the following chart which basically shows the effects of vignetting on full frmae sensor and film..hard to work out but it seems to make sense somewhere!..by the way..the zeiss response came within two hours of the question..not bad!






Jan 31, 2007 at 05:30 PM
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p.1 #18 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


marcwilson wrote:
got sent this by the german person whom I bought my 35mm from..they spoke to zeiss about the vignetting..which I now see as normal..and were sent along with an explanation the following chart which basically shows the effects of vignetting on full frmae sensor and film..hard to work out but it seems to make sense somewhere!..by the way..the zeiss response came within two hours of the question..not bad!


So there is indeed a light fall-off issue with current digital sensors.



Jan 31, 2007 at 05:53 PM
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p.1 #19 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


from the man at zeiss..translated from the german by google..

"...In this case is in addition, a problem of the Full format sensor that Digital camera. The following diagram illustrates, how much Shading the sensor above all full opening still adds - in the corner approx. 1,5 screen stages. Up Film sees those Brightness distribution more favorably.."



Jan 31, 2007 at 05:57 PM
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p.1 #20 · Zeiss zf 35mm..


Contrary to what I heard from Canon, Zeiss seems to be interested to adapt Zeiss lenses on the 5D
Thanks



Jan 31, 2007 at 06:09 PM
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