dcmiller wrote:
That is freaking un-American.
Canon should think about 50,000 American troops in Osaka and an insane president. Need I say more.
That same council also requested Canon to make available its patented Direct Print tech as an open standard where every camera and printer maker could utilized, and the Pictbridge standard was introduced thereafter - more than 70% of the patents involved belong to Canon.
As I have mentioned earlier, the Japanese consumers are different than the rest of the world - the Direct Print technology, had it remain a Canon exclusive, may spell the end for most of the competitors' products in Japan's domestic market first, with the rest of the world later.
Having trouble understanding what your reply has to do with my comment.
The 1.3x imager is or will be over sooner rather han later, and that has NOTHING to do with frame-rates. The 1.3x imager was developed because Canon did not have an affordable FF imager, coupled with the fact that the DIGIC-II processor and related bandwith, could not handle more than 8MP of data at 8.5fps.
Using a bit of extrapolation on this line of thinking,,, if the DIGIC-III handles 22MP of data at 4 or 5 fps, then it follows that the next version of the 1D2N with the DIGIC-III could be enhanced with a 5D type FF imager, at 8 to 10 fps....Show more →
Your extrapolation itself is correct. But the assumption isn't right. Once more: DIGIC is not the bottleneck!
It can take DDR SDRAM, which is more than enough to receive 4 compressed RAW images per second, like in the 1Ds II. All we can see from the DIGIC II board is that it has 2 RAM chips. Assume those are 16-bit DDR SDRAM chips, clocked at a very conservative 33 MHz, giving 32-bit bandwidth at 66 MHz effective. Good enough for 250 MB per second max.
According to that Canon information, a 1DsII frame is "up to around 20 MB of image data." Times 4 FPS means a 80 MB/sec average. Would that fit in the bandwidth budget?
The data flow is as follows: Sensor, ADC (on the edge of the sensor itself), front-end processing unit (separate chip), DIGIC (separate chip)
Just look at the sensor configuration of the line-up: 1Ds had a 4-channel output. 1DsII and 1DII have 16-channel output. 5D, 20D and 30D have a 4-channel output sensor, while the whole xxxD range has sensors with just 2 channels. The sensor output, both in number of channels and frequency, determine the output speed.
FAU4U wrote:
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The 1.3x imager is or will be over sooner rather han later, and that has NOTHING to do with frame-rates. The 1.3x imager was developed because Canon did not have an affordable FF imager, coupled with the fact that the DIGIC-II processor and related bandwith, could not handle more than 8MP of data at 8.5fps.
Using a bit of extrapolation on this line of thinking,,, if the DIGIC-III handles 22MP of data at 4 or 5 fps, then it follows that the next version of the 1D2N with the DIGIC-III could be enhanced with a 5D type FF imager, at 8 to 10 fps.
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Canon has stated before that the 1.3 chip is very cheap to make, because a wafer can contain more than a FF chip wafer. It is very cheap, so Canon will not let it go.
Hummmmm.............
That rings a familiar bell.......
For the benefit of others I believe you are perhaps refering to the "Legend" countdown that appeared on the (Caonon Israel site from memory) for a few days back in late July last year...
This year
August will be different
24/8/06
Every legend has a beginning
Some took the view that the new 50mm 1.2 was the legend (not very likely to me)... Others that Canon had pulled their new 1 series at the last minute...
A quick look at http://www.canon.com.hk/En/Consumer/Product/Discontinued.aspx?series_id=1 states that tis year, all film cameras are discontinued, except for the 1V, only catering for professionals that still haven't moved to digital - but will it be discontinued next year? Feels a bit odd, to put this magic camera in the attic. Then, if you look at the digital line, no statements are made regarding discontinuing 1D/s etc, but at PMA we will probably see several new EOS cameras - a new 40D, weather-sealed, a 1Ds 22 MP with ability to correct lens distortions/color abberations, and then i the fall there will be a FF 1D 10 pictures/s, spoortshooters will finally have a decent viewfinder! And also a 3D 16MP, I hope! (the 5d will be discontinued soon - a lot of people wanted a 3D and didn't buy).
Yakim Peled wrote:
Well....... yes.
So nice of you to track down the original ad for all the newcomers.....
You're welcome I only joined this game back in June last year... I find this is like one of those complex TV series (such as Lost) or a long running soap opera (the Young and the Resteless etc.).... Entertaining and good for passing the time.. But to really understand what is going on you need to keep up with the little clues or get confused... So I always appreciate it when any of us post a reminder of the past to link things together.... There is sooooo much history in just the last year... (Though just like those TV series - you can miss months or the whole year and it really doesn't matter that much!)
And the scary thing is once the PMA 2007 season ends it will be only 3-4 months before we have the August September 2007 speculation season.. and then PMA 2008 and then...
Geoff Costello wrote:
And the scary thing is once the PMA 2007 season ends it will be only 3-4 months before we have the August September 2007 speculation season.. and then PMA 2008 and then...
Yakim Peled wrote:
[Which show takes place in August September 2007?
No major Camera show that I know of (Photokina 2008 is then though)... I was just thinking of Canon's 18 and 24 month cycles and the table of Canon DSLR announcment dates where they seem to release in either Feb / March or August / September (e.g the 5D was August 2005 from memory).... So whatever is released at the PMA, the faithful here will be waiting for the rest to be released in August / September... For example if PMA sees a 40D and 1D replacement then August / August September should see the 5D replacement... Even if it doesn't we can spend 200 pages speculating about it... And then in January 2008 it will be time for the March 2008 announcement of the 400D replacement and then...
dcmiller wrote:
That is freaking un-American.
Canon should think about 50,000 American troops in Osaka and an insane president. Need I say more.
(I must leave the computer now and go down stairs to wait for the FBI. Goodbye.)
The thought police are one their way, but the FBI won't take you down until your phone has been tapped, your family and relatives have been put under surveillance, and Gitmo has been notified of your arrival.
Stay strong and remember, the beatings and torture are only physical. They can take your eyes, your limbs, and most of your internal organs but you'll survive unless you see Dick Cheney walk through the door with a shotgun, in which case you better duck!
Jens Hansson wrote:
A quick look at http://www.canon.com.hk/En/Consumer/Product/Discontinued.aspx?series_id=1 states that tis year, all film cameras are discontinued, except for the 1V, only catering for professionals that still haven't moved to digital - but will it be discontinued next year? Feels a bit odd, to put this magic camera in the attic.
Should Canon discontinues the EOS-1v by 2008, it is a normal cycle for this pro body. Canon's pro film SLRs typically last 7-8 years before they are being replaced by their successors although I doubt there will be any new model replacing the 1v. New F-1 (1981) to original EOS-1 (1989) was 8 years. EOS-1N was introduced 5 years later and EOS-1v came in PMA 2000.
Geoff Costello wrote:
No major Camera show that I know of (Photokina 2008 is then though)... I was just thinking of Canon's 18 and 24 month cycles and the table of Canon DSLR announcment dates where they seem to release in either Feb / March or August / September (e.g the 5D was August 2005 from memory).... So whatever is released at the PMA, the faithful here will be waiting for the rest to be released in August / September... For example if PMA sees a 40D and 1D replacement then August / August September should see the 5D replacement... Even if it doesn't we can spend 200 pages speculating about it... And then in January 2008 it will be time for the March 2008 announcement of the 400D replacement and then... ...Show more →
Non-Photokina year, we have two photo trade shows, one in Europe and is known as PMA Europe but is quite low profile (no idea why) and New York City's PhotoPlus Expo. Both are annual shows and are held during Fall/Autumn periods and typically showcase new products announced in either Aug or Sept. The original EOS-1D had its first major showcase to the public during PhotoPlus Expo of 2001 held in late Oct in NYC.
Geoff Costello wrote:
You're welcome I only joined this game back in June last year... I find this is like one of those complex TV series (such as Lost) or a long running soap opera (the Young and the Resteless etc.).... Entertaining and good for passing the time.. But to really understand what is going on you need to keep up with the little clues or get confused... So I always appreciate it when any of us post a reminder of the past to link things together.... There is sooooo much history in just the last year... (Though just like those TV series - you can miss months or the whole year and it really doesn't matter that much!)
And the scary thing is once the PMA 2007 season ends it will be only 3-4 months before we have the August September 2007 speculation season.. and then PMA 2008 and then... ...Show more →
Yes . 'Lost' with chimps cast as the main characters. Or perhaps Gillingan's island. We can fight over who is The Professor.
There is a lot of history, some of it probably true at that time. Something did happen last year to change the schedule - technological problems, production capacity issues, and now carl suggesting a sort of governmental intervention asking Canon to slow down. Ridiculous in most technological countries, but not unimaginable in Japan. The interconnection between public companies is extensive and complex. I don't have a clue how to judge carl's information.
An interesting factoid from the Canon museum is that the first lenses used on Canon cameras were......Nikon. That's just not right.
I realized last night that for me the most interesting part of a 1 series announcement for me is to see what the state of the art sensor design looks like. Foveon as an ideal doesn't really address reality. How good will the new 1 series files be? Better on a per pixel basis, certainly. 5% better? 50% better?
Thanks Lordcarl - gives Canon a great excuse to release more products and lenses for us in August / September this year...
I remember hearing (how true it is I don't know) that Canon made it's L series lenses in large batches and the egineering resources to design new ones meant that it could generally only design and release 2-4 new lenses a year... So that will be fun too.... An indefinite refresh upgrade of the lenses twice a year, matched by the same for DSLRs...
I believe you are perhaps refering to the "Legend" countdown that appeared on the (Caonon Israel site from memory) for a few days back in late July last year... 
