Tentacle wrote:
I was thinking in terms of consistency.
I would like a camera to behave predictably on me. I know its limitations. All of a sudden I would have got an extra set of IF/THEN conditions to deal with. On high-res crop mode the high ISO noise would be worse and the DR poorer. I can no longer think, for example, "I can get away ISO 1600, always". That condition would have become setting-dependent.
I am 99.99% confident that the new camera that is being labled the "D1" by Erwin Put has identical resolution and ISO sensitivity accross the whole sensor. The Crop mode is about taking the centre portion of the FF sensor data and creating a smaller JPEG / RAW from that. The smaller file processes and saves faster (hence the faster FPS) and is useful for photojournalists etc who need to quickly transmit their shots for printing.. (which is a big market for the 1D Mark II).
I agree with Geoff, Canon keeps its designs simple. The only question I have is how the will implement crop lines. Perhaps an optional screen without the lines. Or rather, a specialized screen is standard, and can be swapped out for a 1Ds type screen.
The other issue with crop mode is the distribution of focus points.
Geoff, any idea when the 1Ds will be released? I'm betting the 1D is ready now.
I am 99.99% confident that the new camera that is being labled the "D1" by Erwin Put has identical resolution and ISO sensitivity accross the whole sensor. The Crop mode is about taking the centre portion of the FF sensor data and creating a smaller JPEG / RAW from that. The smaller file processes and saves faster (hence the faster FPS) and is useful for photojournalists etc who need to quickly transmit their shots for printing.. (which is a big market for the 1D Mark II).
I hope this helps
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. The idea was being coined that a crop-mode would be more attractive if the crop area had a higher photo site density than the surrounding sensor area. Now that would complicate matters quite a bit.
Going the Nikon D2Xs route, with a high FPS auto crop mode and constant pixel pitch, seems like a great idea. You can always leave the auto-crop option off if you don't like the idea, or simply do not have use for it.
dcmiller wrote:
I agree with Geoff, Canon keeps its designs simple. The only question I have is how the will implement crop lines. Perhaps an optional screen without the lines. Or rather, a specialized screen is standard, and can be swapped out for a 1Ds type screen.
4 small corners outlining the crop area etched in the standard VF screen that could maybe even flash briefly in crop mode when AF is achieved, similar to the active AF point, would be more than adequate for me.
I'd think a separate crop mode indicator of some sort in the VF would be a must.
The prospective 1D is kinda boring. Without higher pixel density, it doesn't do much for the long lens. I would buy it if it had 12mp with the 1.3 crop. It certainly further solidifies Canon position with PJs, but Canon is very strong with the IIn anyways. I keep saying it, but I wonder if Nikon will be better for wildlife shooters.
I predict the 1Ds is several months behind. Perhaps inventory is high on the 1DsII. I wouldn't be surprised if the new 1D is available immediately. I wish I could rationalize its purchase. Maybe I'll buy it and sell my 5D. It might be worth doing just to scare people with continuous 10 fps shooting.
I wonder how the 200/2 IS is doing? Eh?
dcmiller wrote:
The prospective 1D is kinda boring. Without higher pixel density, it doesn't do much for the long lens. I would buy it if it had 12mp with the 1.3 crop. It certainly further solidifies Canon position with PJs, but Canon is very strong with the IIn anyways. I keep saying it, but I wonder if Nikon will be better for wildlife shooters.
I predict the 1Ds is several months behind. Perhaps inventory is high on the 1DsII. I wouldn't be surprised if the new 1D is available immediately. I wish I could rationalize its purchase. Maybe I'll buy it and sell my 5D. It might be worth doing just to scare people with continuous 10 fps shooting.
I wonder how the 200/2 IS is doing? Eh?...Show more →
The D1s is said to have about a stop better performance than the 400D - if they manage something similar with the 40D and upgrade the AF then at 10MP or whatever and a 1.6 it should make a mean wildlife camera.
Hope they don't mess it up with too much NR in the inter5ests of cramming in more pixels.
Regards,
Wouldn't the new 1D kill the 5D, or at least mean that the price will need to drop drastically? The 1D with the same noise free 12 megapixels and a zillion fps in a 1 series body would answer all the complaints about the 5D and make Canon a serious packet of money. Drop the 5D's price to that of the 30D and compete that against the D200 without actually bothering with a 40D. Even better Canon get's all the 5D upgraders, and all the 1 series upgraders with just one camera. WOW will they get rich this year.
Beni wrote:
Wouldn't the new 1D kill the 5D, or at least mean that the price will need to drop drastically? The 1D with the same noise free 12 megapixels and a zillion fps in a 1 series body would answer all the complaints about the 5D and make Canon a serious packet of money. Drop the 5D's price to that of the 30D and compete that against the D200 without actually bothering with a 40D. Even better Canon get's all the 5D upgraders, and all the 1 series upgraders with just one camera. WOW will they get rich this year.
At twice the price of a 5D, a lot would like to upgrade but far fewer will!
FF is expensive to make, so it is not that easy to just drop the price of a 5D to that of a 30D.
Regards,
I can't see a 5D at the price of a 30D (yet). However, If Canon dropped their price to just a little over the D200, then that would indeed be an alternative to the Nikon.
The 40D would have to come way under and compete with the D80, which it would probably do easily with better body construction and fps.
Because of the price of the 40D, the 350D would disappear for good, the 400D would cost about, or just a bit more, than the Nikon D40.
After reading Erwin's leak I was a bit confused by his wording and grammar. After reading Michael Reichmann's review of one of Erwin's books where Michael notes (relative to the book being reviewed) that
My only real complaint is the grammatical style in which it is written. I have no way of knowing if it was written in English to begin with or translated. But the grammatical style is that of a native German or Dutch speaker, not someone for whom English is a mother tongue. This in no way detracts from the value of the content, but it does make the book "sound" somewhat stilted. I wish that Hove had bothered to hire a copy editor who could have smoothed the text somewhat into a more idiomatic style of contemporary English.
That probably explains the interesting style...
Vann
the review referenced above is here: ]http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/compendium.shtml[/url]
Congrats to FMers. According to my son who is a student there, we are now being studied by researchers from the University of Pennsylvania who are looking at the impact of Internet rumors on product marketing. Needless to say, the basic premise of the study isn't one that is all that favorable and boils down to how easy is it to get relatively smart people to believe relatively stupid things without having one shred of evidence pointing in any direction whatsoever. Don't worry, FM isn't alone in being targeted and hopefully we will get higher marks than some of the other sites being looked at.
Hrow wrote:
Congrats to FMers. According to my son who is a student there, we are now being studied by researchers from the University of Pennsylvania who are looking at the impact of Internet rumors on product marketing. Needless to say, the basic premise of the study isn't one that is all that favorable and boils down to how easy is it to get relatively smart people to believe relatively stupid things without having one shred of evidence pointing in any direction whatsoever. Don't worry, FM isn't alone in being targeted and hopefully we will get higher marks than some of the other sites being looked at....Show more →
vknight wrote:
If what he says is true I will now have to decide on a 5D or a 1D (for a little over twice the price of the 5d) ... hmmm decisions decisions....
I'm sure there will be no shortage of threads clogging up the first page with people asking just that. It would probably be much easier to just start a single "Official Should I get the 5D or D1(sic) thread."
nikt wrote:
Geez, I'd be 3 standard deviations to the left if they include my cynical comments. :worried:
Edited by nikt on Feb 12, 2007 at 01:55 AM GMT
Only 3?
In terms of your other comment regarding the obvious; that was my initial thought as well but it is actually a pretty interesting and detailed subject to study. Why isn't there any (or less) of the same nonsense going on the Olympus sites? Even the Nikon shooters are more reserved in general. Is it the size of the forum? If so, what is the needed critical mass and can that mass be combined from different locations to the same impact? Is it something the manufacturers are doing intentionally? If so, is there any way to keep it under control? If not, is it worth the potential risk that the beliefs instilled will be positive? (Look at the trashing they took with the release of the 30D - everyone was expecting more than they got and it hurt Canon's rep.) If you look into the subject deep enough it really is pretty interesting - and scary.
vknight wrote:
If what he says is true I will now have to decide on a 5D or a 1D (for a little over twice the price of the 5d) ... hmmm decisions decisions....
Hammerli says... It would probably be much easier to just start a single "Official Should I get the 5D or D1(sic) thread."
Perhaps we should start a separate forum for that discussion ;-)
Decision is a no brainier for me (bank account willing).
My sense is that this is all about how one thinks about the new Camera... _peace_
If you are an existing 1D Mark II user it is a faster, more flexible camera with unlimited shot depth and better high ISO as well as a great range of accessories (e.g. wifi). And should you wish to take your sports camera to a wedding etc it can be a better than 5D quality FF camera... But you NEVER EVER have to use this FF mode if you don't want...
Equally if you are a 1V Film user or a 30D/30D/5D who wants to step up to a pro style FF digital body it's a low cost way of getting the legendary 1 series ergonimics, build quality etc. And it's fast, flexible and with a great range of accessories etc... An just in case you want to take it to a sports game etc or wildlife hunting where you want either the extra reach or a really fasf FPS rate, then you can engage the crop mode... Again you NEVER EVER have to use this Crop mode if you don't want to!
Of course it also makes a great second body for those who have bought a 1Ds Mark II (or 1D Mark II N)
Sounds smart to me
Of course if you really want the ultimate in resolution then the 1Ds Mark II replacement awaits Oh and most of the accessories etc are sharable for those pros with dual bodies (which of course is most pros!)...Show more →
Exactly, very nicely put Geoff. I find this proposed camera quite plausible. Consider it replacing the 1DmkIIn, moving the Canon FF agenda forward and another step toward dominating the Pro camera market.
I don't know if this camera is real, but it is realistic.
Oh and most of the accessories etc are sharable for those pros with dual bodies (which of course is most pros!)