IFeito wrote:
If Erwin Puts review is correct then Sports Photographers will not be missing their 1.25 crop factor because the pixel size of the new 1D sensor will be exactly the same as their old one.
They're getting exactly the same shots they used to get with the old 1D IIN with some more info around the frame.
Ignacio
Just like I'll get about the same resolution from my 20D as his predicted 1Ds at 22Mp.
I sure wouldn't mind having the AF of the 1Ds though.
DaveMart wrote:
I would have thought a lot of sports pros would be less than thrilled to find that they have lost their 1.25 crop - all the lenses thev've been workig with are going to not work the way they are used to for a start.
I've got the feeling that Erwin may have some of the info, but he is not stating all of it right, or misinterpreting.
Regards,
Hi Dave, you bring up a good point as always. Loss of the crop also mandates the expected 1Ds upgrade to maintain the distinction between models. I think the cry over losing the 1.25 off the long end would be drowned out by the shouts over the possible introduction of a new battery type.
Nikon makes a beautiful camera, but its sensors leave its Pro camera line up vulnerable. A D2x killer would be a real blow as Nikon struggles to catch up.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could get some ISO 6400 in a new 40D sensor, and some better AF? I wouldn't even complain if they left it at 8.2MP 1.6 crop if it could do ISO 6400 reasonably well...
Rusty1 wrote:
Hi Dave, you bring up a good point as always. Loss of the crop also mandates the expected 1Ds upgrade to maintain the distinction between models. I think the cry over losing the 1.25 off the long end would be drowned out by the shouts over the possible introduction of a new battery type.
Nikon makes a beautiful camera, but its sensors leave its Pro camera line up vulnerable. A D2x killer would be a real blow as Nikon struggles to catch up.
If you are not invested in lenses then it's difficult to see why you would want a D2X rather than the D1 - most of the talk of vignetting is exagerated.
I still think that they may be communicating some info back to the camera for in-camera correction anyway.
The variable ratio aspects could still happen in the D1s, or I suppose even in the D1.
Regards,
DynoMoHum wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if we could get some ISO 6400 in a new 40D sensor, and some better AF? I wouldn't even complain if they left it at 8.2MP 1.6 crop if it could do ISO 6400 reasonably well...
The extra size of the pixels on a FF 12MP make high ISO a lot easier, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
Regards,
It's hard to understand exactly what Erwin Puts is saying with regard to ISO 6400... He seems to imply that this would be possible in one or possibly both of these new 1D series cameras... If it's possible in a FF 22 megapixel sensor... then with the same pixel size, you could have a 1.6 crop sized sensor with the same technology... that's where I am coming from on this... So, maybe it is possible now...
DaveMart wrote:
The extra size of the pixels on a FF 12MP make high ISO a lot easier, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
Regards,
DynoMoHum wrote:
It's hard to understand exactly what Erwin Put is saying with regard to ISO 6400... He seems to imply that this would be possible in one or possibly both of these new 1D series cameras... If it's possible in a FF 22 megapixel sensor... then with the same pixel size, you could have a 1.6 crop sized sensor with the same technology... that's where I am coming from on this... So, maybe it is possible now...
Correct - sorry, my brain is not working too well tonight as it's late - I jumped to the conclusion that the ISO6400 referred to the sports camera, the D1, as that is where is is really needed and it's not too much of a stretch from the excellent high ISO performance of the 5D, whereas it is both tougher and less needed in the D1s.
Seems to me though that although it the article appears to be based on fact, all the detailing is shot - the sensor although it may be 12MP on FF just like the 5D, can't possibly be the same as that on the 5D, which was designed for low cost, and only for 3fps.
No way would they have over-engineered it to allow 8-10fps - the chip for the new camera would need more data channels at least.
So, several buckets of salt are needed - he is weird in a lot of his info, being a Leica fanboy.
Regards,
It's hard to tell... I know little or nothing about Erwin Puts, but based on what other's have said, he may very well have had access to some of Canon's upcoming cameras and/or prototypes of them... However, given all the pure speculation that we've been having, it seems good to get something that resembles a 'rumor' that may indeed have some fact behind it...
and meanwhile.. I'm really only in the market for a 40D and well would love one with ISO 6400... so I'm eager to believe that there's a possibility... and I'll be first to say... I'd gladly give up a 10.1MP(like the one on the 400D) sensor, for a 8.5MP sensor with some newer technology that would boost the ISO up higher then it currently is on the 30D...
Here’s my ‘interpretation’ of the leak by Edwin Puts here http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c031.html which I understand to be very close to reality I think he has broken his NDA (or someone has)
What he calls the D1 doesn’t have the 5D’s sensor (too slow in data transfer for more than the 3 FPS in the 5D) but does have a much faster FF sensor of similar resolution to the 5D by using a next generation CMOS design. This has larger micro-lenses (as per 400D) and modified electrics to reduce the noise and increased sensitivity at a hardware level allowing higher ISO at acceptable noise levels.
When Edwin refers to the “mysterious comment that the 1D has no memory buffer”, this is not quite true. It does in fact have an very sophisticated memory buffer. What it does have (thanks to the speed of DIGIC III) is the ability to write unlimited continuous JPEG at full frame rates as long as the memory card transfer rate is fast enough. Ideal for sports / action shooters. The buffer kicks in for slower memory cards or thing like RAW + JPEG etc.
When Edwin states that “Canons statement that from now on there will be no more 1.3 crop sensors” I understand that the missing item that Canon will be emphasising is their dynamic crop mode which delivers the equivalent of the 1.25 crop from the FF sensor on demand for that extra sense of reach….
Similarly what Edwin calls the “D1s” is a next generation low noise sensor etc like the “D1” above but with much higher resolution and all the features to be a serious challenge to MF (which is why Edwin is excited)… As you would expect, noise performance while very good, is not quite up to the new “D1” as the area of each pixel sensor is almost half that of the “D1” However the ISO 3200 is very usable indeed (think similar to the 400D at 1600.
And yes, my “understanding” is that Canon have tried very hard to make these two cameras have everything that could be keeping a top end film photographer from moving to digital…. You can expect a range of accessories / grips etc to match...
So start saving folks
You can almost read the excited marketing blurb "20 years ago Conon redefined photography with the EOS system On the 20th anniversary of EOS Canon is proud to announce the cameras which redefine what is possible with digital photography, bringing unprecedented performance to ..."
You're certainly a lot more elocuent than I could ever dream about being.
I was about to post the same comment regarding the "lack of buffer" that Erwin Puts seems to mention. To me what that translated into is "enough buffer to shot at max FPS indefinitively".
I honestly think this is a real leak, but there's a lot more info that will probably make it's way through different "accidental" or "intentional" leaks.
Here’s my ‘interpretation’ of the leak by Edwin Puts here http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c031.html which I understand to be very close to reality I think he has broken his NDA (or someone has)
What he calls the D1 doesn’t have the 5D’s sensor (too slow in data transfer for more than the 3 FPS in the 5D) but does have a much faster FF sensor of similar resolution to the 5D by using a next generation CMOS design. This has larger micro-lenses (as per 400D) and modified electrics to reduce the noise and increased sensitivity at a hardware level allowing higher ISO at acceptable noise levels.
When Edwin refers to the “mysterious comment that the 1D has no memory buffer”, this is not quite true. It does in fact have an very sophisticated memory buffer. What it does have (thanks to the speed of DIGIC III) is the ability to write unlimited continuous JPEG at full frame rates as long as the memory card transfer rate is fast enough. Ideal for sports / action shooters. The buffer kicks in for slower memory cards or thing like RAW + JPEG etc.
When Edwin states that “Canons statement that from now on there will be no more 1.3 crop sensors” I understand that the missing item that Canon will be emphasising is their dynamic crop mode which delivers the equivalent of the 1.25 crop from the FF sensor on demand for that extra sense of reach….
Similarly what Edwin calls the “D1s” is a next generation low noise sensor etc like the “D1” above but with much higher resolution and all the features to be a serious challenge to MF (which is why Edwin is excited)… As you would expect, noise performance while very good, is not quite up to the new “D1” as the area of each pixel sensor is almost half that of the “D1” However the ISO 3200 is very usable indeed (think similar to the 400D at 1600.
And yes, my “understanding” is that Canon have tried very hard to make these two cameras have everything that could be keeping a top end film photographer from moving to digital…. You can expect a range of accessories / grips etc to match...
So start saving folks
You can almost read the excited marketing blurb "20 years ago Conon redefined photography with the EOS system On the 20th anniversary of EOS Canon is proud to announce the cameras which redefine what is possible with digital photography, bringing unprecedented performance to ..."
Oh and then there are the new lenses (drool) ...Show more →
Why don't they make it a 10x crop so I can shoot football with a 50mm lens? I will never buy a camera with a crop mode.
Geoff Costello wrote:
This is the fascinating thing about the current state of the rumours...
On one hand they give the impression across the web of coalescing around a 40D and a new ID Mark something (not clear if this is the 10/12mp model or the 22mp model),,, With the replacement 5D and the other 1D model coming a bit later
On the other hand there are these persistent positions such as yours (or that of NikT) which make it seem that Canon is "dancing to another tune" as far as DSLRs... In the last couple of rumour rounds they seemed to hit a critical point a few weeks before the show and lock into something very close to reality. Not yet this time it would seem….
I do hope my source is right though
As you say - not long to go now... Imagine the “screams” in this thread if (say) yours was right “Canon has lost its way” etc… ...Show more →
Geoff, If I didn't know better, I'd say that was a bit of a dig. Sort of true, my rumour came from the fact my rep said there' wouldn't be any changes for the first half of this year in our shop'. Which included the 30D, 400D, 5D. I am sceptical about his rumblings as previously mentioned. He is, after all, a sales rep!
But I have no reason as yet to think otherwise. My own personal wants and wishlists are something else. I love this technology stuff so I can't wait for the next big thing to come out (from any of them).
However, I don't have any stance on the 1 series, I've heard nothing about this. Of course there will be a replacement for those models... many people said it was PMA last year, then Photokina, and now this PMA. Whenever it happens, there will be many people that come on and say "told you so" (and I'm not talking about your posts Geoff, just those that are akin to "Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?). Well, Daaah!
I got a good amount of hate mail when I said last year that the 30D would be the same chip, same body with a 2.5" LCD, spot metering, RGB histograms, and a couple of other small improvements. Funny how quiet it was when it was released.
But there's always screams and rumblings on the forums about how Canon is going to fail if they don't deliver a certain product. There certainly was at the end of photokina last year and they still managed a record profit.
nikt wrote:
We'll be sure to pass that information on to Canon. But thats excellent of course, since Canon does cater for your market with the 5D and 1DS cameras.
