DaveMart wrote:
I don't think that Canon will be altering anything - but I do think that they will have predicted that the 30D was going to struggle - everyone talks about the D200, but in my view the D80 has taken a lot of Canon sales.
It seems to me likely that Canon were ready for this, and have planned future products to suit.
Regards,
Again, it is your own calculation that Canon is losing sales to Nikon just because you see more people buying D80 than 30D.
The EOS 400D is doing very well against the D80. The 30D is selling well (maybe not that good in USA, Canada and Europe) too against the D200, it is not competing for customers looking at the D80. Prices difference may not be a lot between 30D, D80 and D200 but in most third world countries, the price of a 30D againts the two Nikons are substantial, a well-specified midrange that is cheaper than both an entry-level and a midrange Nikons.
lordcarl wrote:
Again, it is your own calculation that Canon is losing sales to Nikon just because you see more people buying D80 than 30D.
The EOS 400D is doing very well against the D80. The 30D is selling well (maybe not that good in USA, Canada and Europe) too against the D200, it is not competing for customers looking at the D80. Prices difference may not be a lot between 30D, D80 and D200 but in most third world countries, the price of a 30D againts the two Nikons are substantial, a well-specified midrange that is cheaper than both an entry-level and a midrange Nikons. ...Show more →
I wasa basing it on the Japanese sales figures, which are the only ones that come out regularly and promptly - Nikon is ahead of Canon for the first time in goodness knows how long.
As you say, the 400D has done well, but the 30D is not selling well.
The new Nikons in the D80 and D40 are putting quite a dent in the market.
Regards,
I just looked yesterday, and in the US the price of the D200 and the 30D were close. I believe that it is at least correct to say that Nikon has "stopped the bleeding" with the D200 and the aggressive entry models.
I want a D200. It's cool.
lordcarl said: The 30D is selling well (maybe not that good in USA, Canada and Europe)
Where could it be selling so well then? I mean if it is not selling well in Europe or North America, it is not selling well "period". Try to sell 30D on an used market, without losing a shirt, these days.
Some are buying used 30Ds. I would like to witness anyone buying a new 30D for C$1350 (the store price in Ontario, although one can buy a new 30D for much less than that)
"Unless Canon management wants to force some people to buy 5D (many prefer crop cameras though)"
An overrated concern, I think. It is certainly true that some prefer crop sensor cameras (wildlife photographers chief among them) because they provide more reach from a given focal length lens. However, I'm convinced that the majority of photographers, if offered a crop sensor body and a full frame body at prices they are comfortable with, would choose the full frame version.
And it's really about pixel density, not crop factor. There is a need for high quality/high pixel density. If that sensor is significantly less expensive in a crop camera, then that is attractive. If I'm always throwing the edges away on full frame, I don't want to buy those edges.
dcmiller wrote:
There is a need for high quality/high pixel density. If that sensor is significantly less expensive in a crop camera, then that is attractive. If I'm always throwing the edges away on full frame, I don't want to buy those edges.
Perzactly, I think I'd be very happy with a Foveon style (with better noise control) at 24M detectors (8M sites) on a 1.6 or 1.5 crop. Should that day ever come. Or maybe a bit fewer sites to improve DR. I bet BW would be nice on it too.
Cedric Bertin wrote:
For the PMA 2007 (from what I read on the Net):
- 5D successor
- new sensor (x1.25)
- new 1D
But the NDA (Non disclosure agreement) would explain that nobody can officially talk about them.
You are right about the 1.25x crop and new 1D.
While Canon officially listed its high fps 1D-series as having 1.3x crop factor, actual tests conducted by independent sites and photo mags reveal the crop factor to be closer to 1.25x than 1.3x!
dcmiller wrote:
I just looked yesterday, and in the US the price of the D200 and the 30D were close. I believe that it is at least correct to say that Nikon has "stopped the bleeding" with the D200 and the aggressive entry models.
I want a D200. It's cool.
When I was in Malaysia during last Christmas/New Year's vacation, the dealers there were selling 30D body for US$1000-equivalent, which was less than a D200 body priced at US$1500 over there - this is a lot of difference price-wise in my opinion.
Does anyone know the smallest image circle projected by an EF-S lens? Or, put another way, would it project onto a 1.5 crop sensor (24x16mm) rather than the current 22.5x15mm from a 30D. The 400D is slightly smaller (22.2x14.8mm).
The reason I ask (other than boredom) is that 'IF' EF-S would work on the slightly larger sensor Canon could produce an 11.7mp 40D using the same density as the current 400D. That would be interesting for those hell bent on more pixels.
Soemone is saying that we have FF D1 and D1s models coming, 12MP and 22MP - the first a 5D sensor in a robust body $4500 with no memory buffer writing direct to flash
The second is a 22MP D1s.
ISO6400 is going to be available http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c031.html
No idea whether this is a spoof site, accurate or what.
Regards
I'm not sure anyone here is hell bent on more pixels...
For what it's worth, B&H has dropped the price of the 30D to $1124 before rebate, others are selling for just under $1100. I think this is around a $30 drop from a week ago.
DaveMart wrote:
Soemone is saying that we have FF D1 and D1s models coming, 12MP and 22MP - the first a 5D sensor in a robust body $4500 with no memory buffer writing direct to flash
The second is a 22MP D1s.
ISO6400 is going to be available http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c031.html
No idea whether this is a spoof site, accurate or what.
Regards
Erwin Puts would not know what a spoof was.
Erwin is the Leica lens subject matter expert. Any speculation by him will be very well informed.
I got to ask... why on earth would they get rid RAM buffering? Just to force everyone to have Extreme IV cards to be able to shoot close to continiously I simply can not believe they would do this and/or can think of no good reason to do that.
DaveMart wrote:
Soemone is saying that we have FF D1 and D1s models coming, 12MP and 22MP - the first a 5D sensor in a robust body $4500 with no memory buffer writing direct to flash
The second is a 22MP D1s.
ISO6400 is going to be available http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c031.html
No idea whether this is a spoof site, accurate or what.
Regards
johnastovall wrote:
Erwin Puts would not know what a spoof was.
Erwin is the Leica lens subject matter expert. Any speculation by him will be very well informed.
Yeah, looks like he's legit - also looks like he doesn't know what an NDA is!
I'd love to know what the Canon announcement he is talking about is.
Regards.
accepting that Erwin Puts has uncorked the big news is a simpler explaination than any of the alternative possibilities.
i much enjoy his musings and his photographic subject matter.
how cannon deals with this will be interesting.
DynoMoHum wrote:
I got to ask... why on earth would they get rid RAM buffering? Just to force everyone to have Extreme IV cards to be able to shoot close to continiously I simply can not believe they would do this and/or can think of no good reason to do that.
Not a chance for raw. Continuous jpg is becoming common.
amplexis wrote:
accepting that Erwin Puts has uncorked the big news is a simpler explaination than any of the alternative possibilities.
i much enjoy his musings and his photographic subject matter.
how cannon deals with this will be interesting.
I'm numb. Too much contradicting info. May I just have my 200/2 please.
I simply can not believe they would do this and/or can think of no good reason to do that.