The main reason for price reduction is competition. For the plasma's and LCD's there are a number of big companies who want/need their share. Canon has no competition, so there's no real need for a price reduction. They need to find a balance between numbers and maximum margin. It's just a common marketing/sales strategy.
Focus Locus wrote:
[...] I know, the obvious question is why can all the Nikons from the F through the F6 expose a full frame of film, and not expose a full frame digital sensor. This is the question I failed to ask the rep. I'm wondering if the Nikon body would have to be made a lot deeper in order to move the sensor plane back far enough for all the light rays to hit it right. More speculation, in a speculative thread.
However, I would sort of like to have some confirmation of the logic presented by the factory rep... regarding Nikon's limitation to a DX 1.5 crop factor until they widen the lens mount....Show more →
If it works for 35 mm film, it works for full frame sensor. The light path is the same and so is the distance between mount and film/sensor plane. The only issue is with high angles of incidence, film takes light striking it at a high angle better than (microlenses on) digital sensors. Digital may vignette more, but that's it.
Focus Locus wrote:
Is it physically possible for Nikon to produce a full frame 35mm size body while still retaining the common F-mount diameter?
Well, the F mount had no problem projecting a 24 x 36 mm image on film, so I would think that in that respect, a 24 x 36 mm sensor ought to work as well. Perhaps there are some other constraints of which I am unaware, though.
10DFT wrote:
Well, the F mount had no problem projecting a 24 x 36 mm image on film, so I would think that in that respect, a 24 x 36 mm sensor ought to work as well. Perhaps there are some other constraints of which I am unaware, though.
Of course it would work... Nikon F-mount lenses cover a full 24x36mm frame better than many Canon EF lenses - as people using Nikkor wide-angle lenses with adapters on Canon bodies are well aware of.
I read on Digital Photo Pro (or was it Practical Photography?) that same thing, that Nikon's F mount was unable to project a big enough image circle for FF sensors.
When I asked about it on the internet I was quickly pointed to Kodak's Full Frame camera that used Nikkors. I guess that was the end of that.
Carry on guys, you're always an illustrative read, even though no "real rumours" have appeared yet.
It's probably the confusion with the DX line-up, which is similar to the EF-S lenses. DX is also the same physical ring (save some extra notches maybe) as F-mount. EF-S is the same as EF, save the same extra notch somewhere.)
Gerry Szarek wrote:
So why doesn't Nikon buy the 14n design from Kodak instant FF, which would drive down the price of 5D?
Because it's not all that good at mid-to high ISO's, and would probably need to be re-designed around a new sensor anyway. Besides, Nikon bodies are superior.
Not saying it is any good or if their claims have even a grain of truth (maybe yes, maybe no) but imagine you are a salesperson. Now imagine trying to sell a G7 against this to the average person. See the problem Canon has? If it was in just this one category then I wouldn't be concerned but they have similar problems throughout their line which is why I am expecting a very good PMA for us or a very bad year for Canon.
Holy cow! 18-504mm f2.8-4.5 lens? Wonder what the quality is of that lens. Of course, for Joe Consumer, that probably won't even play into most people's heads.
My first thought when I saw the "ISO 5000" on that camera was that it would be great for when you just wanted a picture of noise, because really, with a lens like that and a packed-tight CCD, there's not going to be a whole lot else in an ISO 5000 photo.
Not saying it is any good or if their claims have even a grain of truth (maybe yes, maybe no) but imagine you are a salesperson. Now imagine trying to sell a G7 against this to the average person. See the problem Canon has? If it was in just this one category then I wouldn't be concerned but they have similar problems throughout their line which is why I am expecting a very good PMA for us or a very bad year for Canon.
I'd take that Olympus over the G7 anyday... I mean the G7 doesn't even have RAW!
CanonRules wrote:
This post has gotten waaaaay off track. It's a looong time until PMA.
Does anyone think that Canon will go completely crazy this year because it's their 70th (?) anniversary, or will they do just enough to stay ahead of Nikon?
Just for fun I checked what Canon souped up ten years ago to celebrate their 60th birthday:
Not saying it is any good or if their claims have even a grain of truth (maybe yes, maybe no) but imagine you are a salesperson. Now imagine trying to sell a G7 against this to the average person. See the problem Canon has? If it was in just this one category then I wouldn't be concerned but they have similar problems throughout their line which is why I am expecting a very good PMA for us or a very bad year for Canon.
You know, if that camera had something close to an APS-C sensor, I'd be looking at it carefully.
Based on all the chaff in this thread, I'm guessing it means that each new dSLR released will have a real-time analytics package installed that provides up to the minute information on the imaging related semiconductor financial world and the Canon Marketing Super Secret "Stuff we're going to release for the next ten years and why we're going to price it the way we do" Blog!
pgengler wrote:
My first thought when I saw the "ISO 5000" on that camera was that it would be great for when you just wanted a picture of noise, because really, with a lens like that and a packed-tight CCD, there's not going to be a whole lot else in an ISO 5000 photo.
Well not quite, the way in which they get "ISO 5000" is through binning so it won't be at the full 7mp. This has the potential that "ISO 5000" could actually be usefull, so I'd reserve judgement until the results are in. Now if there was no binning... yea it would be laughable.
at prices of Canon film cameras...
