Pentax now offers wireless flash in the K10D so why can't Canon?? Why do we need to spend more money and add the bulky ST-E2 to our kit when Nikon and Pentax offer a wireless flash transmitter??
EOS20 wrote:
Pentax now offers wireless flash in the K10D so why can't Canon?? Why do we need to spend more money and add the bulky ST-E2 to our kit when Nikon and Pentax offer a wireless flash transmitter??
This is type of ergonomic change that Canon must start addressing if they are going to remain competitive. The little things start to add up and will start to make much more of a impact on buying decisions as the differences in sensor technology narrow.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Whatever is released I say it out loud: The 30D replacement will be 1.6x sensor. Any thoughts of 1.3x or FF especially are ridiculous, IMO of course.
MHO is in full agreement with yours on that issue.
It seems that a lot of tele shooters would look at Nikon if the 40D became full frame.
Sorry about adding to the rumors but this guy has been right-on over the past few years.
I don't think Canon would eliminate the 30D if they make a FF upgrade to that low cost body. But I don't know anyone who would want a 1.3 or 1.6 sensor over a FF for the same price. I am however only talking about pro's I know here. And none are sports shooters. I thinik smaller sensors are great for an extra body if the quality is comparable to the FF as with the 1D vs 1Ds cameras. As I have stated before the only people I know that still use Nikon are counting the days and saving their pennies to switch to Canon becuase of FF cameras.
So a low priced FF body would put Canon so far ahead of the pack once again.
It's amazing that Canon does such a good job at keeping this all a secret. I guess they are emulating Apple, thinking that the suspense will lead to a buying frenzy?
Personally I think it's unprofessional to keep us in the dark. We depend on their gear for our livelyhood and we need to plan ahead - not just guess. If I had known the 1Ds Mk2 replacement wasn't coming until March 07, I would have purchased another pro-body over a year ago to hold me over. So that's $8000 Canon didn't get from me.
stevesanacore wrote:
1Ds Mk2 replacement will be 22MP...30D successor will be full frame 12MP...
But I don't know anyone who would want a 1.3 or 1.6 sensor over a FF...
Here's my quandry. If the IDs Mk2 replacement is 22 MP it's about the same pixel pitch as my 20D. I'd most likely crop the image anyway (I even crop the 20D image now) so the outer part of that FF 22 MP sensor would be a wasted expense for me. And it seems that I'd have about the same useful sensor real estate at about the same resolution.
If I switched to a FF 30D replacement at 12 MP I'd actually lose resolution when cropping.
Also, I wasn't real impressed with the IQ of the 400D or Nikon APS-C size sensors at 10+ MP.
BTW, "Get closer" or "Use a longer lens" isn't an option for most of my shots. I've already got a 400 and 1.4 TC and that all I can afford in the near future.
RJJR wrote:
Here's my quandry. If the IDs Mk2 replacement is 22 MP it's about the same pixel pitch as my 20D. I'd most likely crop the image anyway (I even crop the 20D image now) so the outer part of that FF 22 MP sensor would be a wasted expense for me. And it seems that I'd have about the same useful sensor real estate at about the same resolution.
If I switched to the FF 30D replacement at 12 MP I'd actually lose resolution when cropping.
BTW, "Get closer" or "Use a longer lens" isn't an option for most of my shots. I've already got a 400 and 1.4 TC and that all I can afford in the near future.
According to a photographer who just happens to work as a production engineer in the semiconductor industry, the full frame sensor should only cost Canon about $350 more than the 1.6 sensor to make. Things have changed!!
Brian Worley, product manager of D-SLR cameras at Canon Europa, said that it's a long way before all EOS models will have a full size sensor, but Canon's aim is to equip all models, except the cheapest, with a 35mm sensor in the future.
Now, assuming that the xxxD class is the cheapest (ignoring speculation on a 4000D to fight the D40) means that the xxD class will, at some point, go full frame.
This quote has been much talked about since the intro of the 5D and it's still not revoked, denied or nuanced. So expect Canon to stick to that full frame commitment. EF-S lens owners have been warned.
stevesanacore wrote:
It's amazing that Canon does such a good job at keeping this all a secret. I guess they are emulating Apple, thinking that the suspense will lead to a buying frenzy?
Emulating apple! Oh Please God, spare us.
The one thing we can all celebrate is that Canon doesn't have a wind bag like Steve Jobs to tell us their new camera is the only camera in the world. I don't dislike Jobs - even if he is an egomaniacal blow hard - or apple for that matter as they have great TV ads and I sure like my ipods.
Personally I think it's unprofessional to keep us in the dark. We depend on their gear for our livelyhood and we need to plan ahead - not just guess. If I had known the 1Ds Mk2 replacement wasn't coming until March 07, I would have purchased another pro-body over a year ago to hold me over. So that's $8000 Canon didn't get from me.
I'm in the same boat. I held off buying a new studio camera last year expecting a 1 series replacement in Sept. The result? Nada; zilch, nothing. If Canon doesn't release/announce a new 1 series at PMA, I'll probably be buying a new 1DsMkII as soon as PMA is over and trying hard to remember that my whining will not change Canon's release schedule.
An argument against a lower cost 12 MP full frame body is that Canon couldn't possibly eliminate the 30D-type camera model because it is so successful. They wouldn't have to "eliminate" it - in essence they position products so that buyers who would have purchased a 30D now find a full-frame body in more or less this price range and with more or less the same features otherwise.
It wouldn't matter much whether Canon called this camera...
- 40D or similar (though that would suggest more strongly that its place in the lineup is equivalent to that formerly occupied by the 30D)
- a 7D (suggesting more forcefully by means of the renumbering that Canon had moved ahead of the competition in this segment)
- continuing to call it a 5D - e.g. 5D II - even more strongly capitalizing on their ability to produce full frame cameras by dropping the "5D" price at the same time they introducted an "even better" 3D or comparable.
Todd308 wrote:
I think a lot of people are just fooling themselves. I can't see canon giving consumer level cameras (non 1 series) weather sealing, vastly improved AF, and more FPS. If they did that why would anyone buy a 1 series? It's just not going to happen. You might see minor advancements to those features, but they are still going to keep a serious performance gap between the 1 series sealing, AF, and possible FPS because that's what sells 1 series cameras.
The form factor of the 5D is a huge advantage over the 1 series for some. If you don't use your camera to bang nails or need huge battery capability than a higher resolution more dynamic range 5D form factor camera makes a lot of sense. Ask any consumer who already purchased a 5D.
mhecker wrote:
According to a photographer who just happens to work as a production engineer in the semiconductor industry, the full frame sensor should only cost Canon about $350 more than the 1.6 sensor to make. Things have changed!!
So if they really wanted to Canon could make a 30D follow up for about $400 more than the list price of a $30D and still make a profit.
Full frame xxD for $1699 MSRP equals D200 killer?
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!!!!!
At last, someone that actually has/does work in the semiconductor industry that realizes these chips are not as expensive to make as some people think (well, those with no idea of how chips are manufactured anyway). If we used a 3x retail mark up (certainly reasonable in this market), and a fully loaded cost of $500 for the FF chip, then the retail price should be around $1500.
I've been saying this for a long time but too many people think these things cost $3-$4k to make. The bottom line is Canon call sell their 1DsMkII, and it's replacement for under $5k and make money.
You can buy Nikon's top of the line D2xs for about $4k, and it's features match and exceed Canon's offering (minus the chip). Nikon has to buy the chip from Sony, Sony has to make a profit and then Nikon marks it up. CCDs are more expensive to produce than CMOS, etc.
You can even buy a small car for $10k from Honda/Toyota/et. al, and we pay $8k for a camera?
If Canon comes out with a 12+ megapixel, full frame camera with the DIGIC III processor for roughly $2,000 I will first cream myself, and then whip out my credit card and buy the damn thing!
I'm a current 20D owner which was a good "starter" camera for me. I nearly bought a 5D because of the rebate, but after finding threads such as this one I decided to wait until Feb/March to see what goodies come out.
I love my 20D and will be able to use it for certain shooting situations were I need the added reach. I really want a full frame camera though for portrait and landscape work.
I hope Canon blows us all away with their new products, both cameras and lenses!
rceres wrote:
It would be great if the new 1 Series camera had a smaller form factor. A weather sealed, heavy duty camera the size of the 5D would be a big plus. Just getting rid of those huge heavy obsolete 1 series batteries would make the camera much smaller. I have the battery grip for my 5D and with both batteries in it, the 5D still feels half the weight and bulk of my 1Ds2..
