Just out of curiosity, has there been a large out-pouring of people needing/wanting 10fps? Personally, I can't see any benefit exceeding 8.5fps. I'd much rather have 12mp rather than 10fps. Not that my opinion matters, just that I've never really heard masses of people asking Canon for 10fps.
EMC 2 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has there been a been a large out-pouring of people needing/wanting 10fps? Personally, I can't see any benefit exceeding 8.5fps. I'd much rather have 12mp rather than 10fps. Not that my opinion matters, just that I've never really heard masses of people asking Canon for 10fps.
I think this is likely to be a combination of two factors:
1) Canon finally matching the 10fps of the EOS 1v (with motor drive) - which is a ‘legendary’ 10 year old design and their only remaining SLR for sale... Sort of a statement by Canon that digital is king...
2) Sports journalists wanting to catch the moment - so every FPS counts - increasing the chance of that special shot where the foot impacts the ball, the hocky-stick impacts the players face etc...
And IMHO you’re right the difference between 8.5 and 10fps won’t be much – but it will all help those sports journalists justify to their bosses why they need the new camera (lets face it 10mp vs 8 is nothing to get excited about in press photography. This is more targeted at the wildlife / bird shooter etc seeking pixel density – which will now be the same as the 1Ds II.
Edited by Geoff Costello on Feb 22, 2007 at 10:04 AM GMT
Mark Shaxted wrote:
why is the Canon booth @ PMA next to the toilets?
Coincidence. Two more pertinent questions would be why are the toilets near the hall entrance and why is the Canon booth near the entrance? The answer would be the same in both cases: more traffic. This is not a table at a restaurant. Traffic is desirable.
That pretty much sums things up (for a sports photographer it will be great) and I have a feeling it will be 10mp also. For myself--a bird shooter--I was hoping for at least 12mp with a 1.3x crop. I currently have been using a 20D and recently an Xti for bird photography just because of the higher resolution. About 2 months ago, I sold off a few lenses in anticipation of the new 1DM3, and I probably will upgrade to the new pro model if anything for less noise, higher ISO and maybe better dynamic range...and of course much better AF system.
I'm resolved to a 10mp model, but 12mp would have been sweeter. I guess I can still hope for a few more hours!
Since there is no new news(if you can call any of this news), here are a couple of figures on pixel pitch and sensor size for the "best guess" models. I was just curious how the numbers compared to current models.
30D 6.4 x 6.4µm 3504x2336
40D approx. 5.7 x 5.7µm approx. 3888x2592
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1D IIN 8.2 x 8.2µm 3504x2336
1D III approx. 7.3 x 7.3µm approx. 3888x2592
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1Ds II 7.2 x 7.2µm 4992x3328
1Ds III approx. 6.3 x 6.3µm approx. 5700x3800
For reference, 5D 8.2 x 8.2µm 4368x2912 and 400D is same as above 40D estimations.
So the 1DIII at the current best guess numbers above will have the next generation of DIGIC, but still have slightly larger pixels than the current 1Ds II, which is already pretty good on the noise and detail fronts.
The 1Ds III guess would again have the next DIGIC, and pixels just smaller than the 30D. If they wait till fall, my guess is that they need the time to get the noise nearer to what people are expecting. But that resolution number for the 1Ds III is impressive. Most people who went from the 1DII to the 5D talk about what a difference in detail there is, and that is about a 25% linear increase between those two models. The above numbers for the 1Ds III would mean a 30% linear increase in pixel count over the 5D, and about a 16% linear increase over the 1Ds II. It looks like it's going to be a long wait till fall for some of us.
Edited by Hammerli on Feb 21, 2007 at 09:34 PM GMT
I was in the local Best Buy today. Told the sales person that I was waiting for the 30D replacement. He started to tell me that it would not be replaced for a long time yet. Then he stopped took a close look at the price tag. He pointed out a small "c" below the bar code. Then told me that the "c" means that the item has been discontinued. The Nikon D50 also had the "c". The D50 was on sale the 30D was not.
Don't know if it means any thing or not.
EMC 2 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has there been a been a large out-pouring of people needing/wanting 10fps? Personally, I can't see any benefit exceeding 8.5fps. I'd much rather have 12mp rather than 10fps. Not that my opinion matters, just that I've never really heard masses of people asking Canon for 10fps.
I don't believe that there has been real demand for more speed from the 1D series, but I think that the kudos and marketing advantage of having a 10 fps body compared to Nikon's 8 fps body would have been a big part of the decision to increase the maximum frame rate.
Geoff Costello wrote:
And IMHO you’re right the difference between 8.5 and 10fps won’t be much – but it will all help those sports journalists justify to their bosses why they need the new camera (lets face it 10mp vs 8 is nothing to get excited about in press photography.
I don't think there will be any need to request an upgrade. These jounalists burn through their cameras in about a year, taking literally thousands of photos a day. Every time you or I would take one, they take a 1 second burst to capture the best possible moment. It is a normal part of Newspaper expense to regularly replace equipment so as to ensure that equipment is going to be in working order and performing to spec when used.
This is the same reason they are all using Mark II Ns now - not because it was necessarily a big improvement, but because they needed to replace the 1D Mark IIs and the equivalent body by that stage was the Mark II N.
These same people are also the reason the new camera is 10MP not 12MP. When you shoot thousands of images a day, processing time and storage become key issues. The existing 8MP is sufficient for 99% of normal press use, and so 10MP was plenty. They did, however need to increase it from 8 to 10, or else all of the internet nay-sayers would be questioning Canon's future, and Nikon may have been able to catch up with their next generation high speed body.
Hence, it is enough of an improvement to keep their market leadership, while not increasing it past a point where it starts to be counterproductive for their target users. People need to remember that out of all of the cameras made by Canon, this one is the one most targeted at, and designed for a specific market segment, being professional sports photographers. While you may buy it for lots of other things, to Canon, your needs are secondary to this key market. Canon must maintain dominance of the pro sports photography market, because it is all those white lenses at every event that helps drive people getting their first serious DSLR to Canon as opposed to a competitor.
My local CompUSA was still selling the 20D(?!) for $1300'ish (?!!) late last year. I haven't dropped in lately to see if they've caught up with the times.
The consensus it seems is a 1D Mark III and no other cameras. Lens speculation is a little less settled. On the flash front I expected some prospects of a new ST-E2 but the only speculation so far is a switch to wireless flash. Personally I consioder this to be unlikely given the need to seek approval for use of the spectrum in every market they plan to release into.
Mike Hatam wrote:
Paul - it seems you may not be aware that the Canon 1-series cameras are weather sealed, as are nearly all of the "L" lenses currently available.
Man, okay, brain slipped a gear, it's been one of those days
jdaily wrote:
My local CompUSA was still selling the 20D(?!) for $1300'ish (?!!) late last year. I haven't dropped in lately to see if they've caught up with the times.
The CompUSA here also has the 20D. It is marked down to under $1,000. $949.98 I think, with the kit lens.
I'm wondering why they wont' offer 12MP and 10fps. DD2 memory has twice the bandwidth as DDR memory for the same clock. Looking at 1D II we have roughly 65MB/s needing to be written. DDR2 along with the other changes would at a minimum give us 130MB/s which could accommodate 12MP @ 10fps.
I want the cake, I want the whole cake and I want to stuff my face with it.
I'll probably upgrade to the new 1D III if it's 10.xMP, but 12.8MP would have been terrific. A 10.1MP cropped to 1.6x format on gives us ~1Mp more than the current 1D II and yields about a 12% larger print at the same res.
The poster's that say "no 40D" are getting this from camera stores(wether they work there or just a customer)....One I know works for one in our area that has posted. I have been waiting for the "40D" , like a lot of us! I was told by the same store 1 month ago that the new 40D would be out PMA 2007. I called yesterday, they now say not until fall? He mention the same for the "pro" camera as well. I asked why? They claim canon has no competion, especially in the 1d arena! He told me the Canon rep was in, and that is what they are hearing!!! However, the same store/person told me that we would know today what canon was announcing for PMA 2007...that did not happen. Soooooo...What is Canon really up too?? I don't think even the sales reps know at this point. We shall see.
tbartick wrote:
The poster's that say "no 40D" are getting this from camera stores(wether they work there or just a customer)....One I know works for one in our area that has posted. I have been waiting for the "40D" , like a lot of us! I was told by the same store 1 month ago that the new 40D would be out PMA 2007. I called yesterday, they now say not until fall? He mention the same for the "pro" camera as well. I asked why? They claim canon has no competion, especially in the 1d arena! He told me the Canon rep was in, and that is what they are hearing!!! However, the same store/person told me that we would know today what canon was announcing for PMA 2007...that did not happen. Soooooo...What is Canon really up too?? I don't think even the sales reps know at this point. We shall see. ...Show more →
I'm still holding out for a 40D but must admit the chances are looking slimmer unfortunately. I would hate to wait until the fall for one......
According to the belgium site, which owner has also anticipated with precision about the 30D, 350D and 400D before official anounced, and he always was right about the specs ...:
* 10.1 MP CMOS sensor
* 5fps, 30 JPEG image burst
* Integrated Cleaning System
* 2.5 Inch LCD with 230K pixels and 160ş viewing angle
* Picture Style image processing
* Spot metering & 9-point AF
* DIGIC II processor with 0.2 sec start up
* Digital Photo Professional software
* Magnesium alloy body
* Compatible with all EF/EF-S lenses and EX Speedlite flashes
* Including powerpack and accessories
* English or German manual
* Connectivity ...Show more →
*Yawn*
So basically its a 30D with a 400D sensor? Not that exiting, and certainly not worth upgrading.
