lordcarl wrote:
The figure may be split to 5,000 units ($20million) for the 1D MK II N and 3,000 ($24million) for the 1Ds MK II. This combination would generate higher dollar sales than 30,000 units ($32million) of EOS 400D.
Not to mention profits.. As the 400D is in a more cut-throat part of the business than something like the 1Ds and 1D where the materials and manufacuring costs must represent a much lower part of the total price...
I am going to have a good laugh if Canon does not come out with anything during the PMA....Everyone on here will go insane, while I am out shooting with my piece of junk 1d2's. hahaha
At this point of time, I will be more interest in any new EF lenses that will be announced in conjunction with the new 1-series camera. Some of the excitement of the new camera has been rubbed off thanks to the speculations and predictions here.
Nowhere Man wrote:
I am going to have a good laugh if Canon does not come out with anything during the PMA....Everyone on here will go insane, while I am out shooting with my piece of junk 1d2's. hahaha
From the sound of it, this would result in mass hara-kiri. Or at least selling every last widget of Canon gear and going Nikon or Olympus or some such.
Antony wrote:
I was just thinking. If the 12-24mm EF L is released, imagine how the used price of 16-35mms will plummet!
Given the quirks and challenges of ultra wide optics, I do not expect a nice constant maximum f/2.8 UWA zoom. IF the speculation/rumor on the 12-24L is correct in the first place.
A 12-24/2.8L would make a 50/1L (or 85/1.2L) look like a tiny lightweight, not to mention cheap, toy. So not every 16-35/2.8L owner would sell because the chance of the 12-24L being as fast is very very slim.
lordcarl wrote:
How about EF 16-50mm f/2.8L IS USM and EF 50-200mm f/2.8L IS USM?
It would be nice but doesn't make sense to me from a marketing perspective... Right now they (Canon) can sell us 3 lenses to do the same job - 16-35, 24-70 and 70-200.... More money for Canon..
But an even wider zoom 12-24 that would be a hit with the real estate agents and PJs working in tight situaitons etc... So a 4th "must have" L series lens in the up to 200 range (especially if it was F2.8 or F4)
Last Photokina, the press release from Canon on the M30 and M80 digital storage viewer stated that these items (as well as the pricings) would be available from March this year. This may also means that Canon USA will announce these items officially during PMA 2007 despite earlier acknowledgements that they would not be available for the North American market.
Back in Photokina 1996, the EF 300mm f/4L IS USM was announced there but Canon USA didn't mention it anywhere in its new product section; it was only announced officially in the US during PMA 1997.
Interesting... Can you clarify / expand on the implications of this? - ie what are you suggesting... All I can think is that Canon USA thinks that PMA is very important and Japan that it is important.. Therefore we should expect any big announcments to be linked to PMA... Which (I guess) most of us are
What I have just posted was based on personal experience in '96 and '97 in Photokina and PMA respectively. If it happened before, it could happen again during this year's PMA.
Photokina is a trade show, same as PMA and everyone knows new products take some months to enter the market, some took 2-3 years and a few didn't make it to commercial production. I guess Canon Inc and Canon USA prefer to "announce" certain items at PMA rather than Photokina, and this year's show is in March, very near the M30 and M80's estimated availabilities.
Also, Photokina is large handled by Canon-Europe, rather than Japan or USA. And only senior management of USA and Japan attended Photokina last year with the European team took charge of the Canon booth over there. For the most part, Canon USA had its own media launch of the Rebel XTi and the two EF lenses announced in last Photokina, even joked to some of the media people that they no longer needed to go to Europe as all the new items have been announced right there in New York.
As per company policy, it not unusual to have Canon staff not giving a confirmed answer to any new products coming their way. So if the US side had no idea on the M39/M80 for North American market last year, that's normal and expected. At least from me.
Just got a flyer from The Flash Centre in London saying "Canon Launch @ TFC! Canon will be launching a new DSLR after Focus and we are delighted to partner these launches in our regions - London on the 6th March, Birmingham on the 15th and Leeds on the 22nd. If you an't get to London, the eariest alternative venue to see it will be the American PMA show on March 8th."
Hopefully this will be an update tp the 1D range... Not good for my bank account though...
Edited by charlesteton on Feb 19, 2007 at 09:37 AM GMT
Doesn't matter whether anyone thinks the D200 is better than the 30D in every way. Canon made record profits for Year 2006, most of it came from DSLRs, consumer digicams and inkjet printers. Been requested to slow down didn't make a dent to its profit margin, and Canon sees it as that its product line-ups are still very much sought after despite the negative predictions on the 30D in here and elsewhere.
Carl, I've read it here, but haven't seen that anywhere else. I'm happy to take that on board if there is a particular article you can point us is that shows Canon was told to slow down.
nikt wrote:
Carl, I've read it here, but haven't seen that anywhere else. I'm happy to take that on board if there is a particular article you can point us is that shows Canon was told to slow down.
Nik - I too was a doubter but with the power of Google I found lots of sites like this one http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=OBR&Date=20070129&ID=6399324&Symbol=XRX quoting from some kind of company press release from Canon... Hosted from Rueter in Toyko.. Canon has a 21.3% profit increase for 2006 from a already high base
Of course .as a percentage increase try Nikon who have nearly doubled their profit (93.7%) in the last year http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/ir/finance/pdf/2007/07_3qf_c_e.pdf
A little time with Google and terms like "Nikon 2006 Profit" wil give you some really interesting insights as to why.. For example a 60% profit increase in the final quarter of 2006 due primarlly to increased DSLR sales!!!!!
Canon still easily wins for total value of profit though - but it sells so much more than Canon (copiers, printers etc).
dcmiller wrote:
Was the D200 a good decision for Nikon over the long-term? Is being forced by the market to sell a $1200 camera that competes with your pro models a good thing in the long run? Canon doesn't care enough about what happens over a quarter or two to change long term plans.
Nikon's need to produce the D200 is not a positive event for Nikon's DLSR business, or DSLR end users in general.
What nikon needed to produce was a 'hot' $4000 camera and charge a premium for lesser cameras because of their reputation in the market. This 'equity' thing in the middle market is not how it works. You used to pay more for a middle Nikon because it was a Nikon. If Nikon wants to go Walmart, Canon simply does not have to follow.
Talk/read the pros who are still shooting Nikon. These are people who are much more interested in their business than brand loyality. It's become very difficult to make a business case for shooting Nikon. That's bad for everyone....Show more →
Donald, that is the weirdest (and you've hit weird) post you've written. Nikon was languishing, they lost a lot of ground. Last year though, that turned around, they made LOTS of money, their sales figures and profits have improved, and Pro's buy the D200 as their second body.
Everyone's talking about Canon (and other manufacturers) reducing the price of the the cameras, including the FF sensor body's. Nikon releases a hot camera at a good price, and forces the competition (be it Pentax, Canon or whoever) to sit up, take some notes and pull their collective fingers out and "That's bad for everyone.". Now , I KNOW you don't believe what you've written.
Paul Schmidt wrote:
Actually Nikon is a sad case these days, back in the 1970's people fell over each other to pay a big premium for the letters NIKON on the front of a camera, just like they paid a big premium for IBM on the front of a computer. Neither NIKON or IBM are a big deal anymore.
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Folks upgrading are happy with the 30D,...
Don't know about Nikon being a 'sad case'. Things have changed, there is tough competition doesn't matter what industry you're in. It would be foolish to think you will dominate and own it forever, with few exceptions. Microsoft comes to mind, but there is a reason for it You want to talk about being vested in one system, there's one for you.
But more interestingly, who's upgrading to the 30D? Has anyone seen the sales figures for the past 6 months? They crawl out the door. The 400D on the other hand....
I know Canons making a mint, in fact most of them are. It's been a good season for DSLR's. Nikon had a great year, with the right products aimed at the right market. I just don't want to perpetuate a rumour on a forum unless I know it to be fact. (We are being studied remember. )
I'd be happy to read some solid evidence that Canon was instructed to stop releasing new models that would bury the competition.
It appears to me that nikon is doing quite well at the moment. I was at the zoo the other day, and inbetween trying to avoid getting run over by baby strollers and trying to determine if the smell was the zoo or the mob in diapers, I noticed lots of nikon dslr's, a lot more than canon. In fact I've never seen so many out with the general public before. Not one had a hood on it though.
nikt wrote:
I'd be happy to read some solid evidence that Canon was instructed to stop releasing new models that would bury the competition.
So would I... Facinated...
In fact I really hope that this year sees Canon try and introduce a slew of new models to do just that....
And then Nikon and Pentax fight back with their own killer, market leading product...
And then .... we all win ....
Edited by Geoff Costello on Feb 19, 2007 at 06:29 PM GMT
Goeff, thanks for the links by the way. I don't actually doubt these things go on, nothing would surprise me. I just want to read it , thats all. I too, would be fascinated!
