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p.13 #1 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


"I'm looking for the authoritarian definition..."

If one existed, I'd think I'd prefer an authoritative definition over an authoritarian one.

However, all things considered, right now I think I'd prefer an authoritative rumor or two! :-)

Dan

Edited by danmitchell on Jan 18, 2007 at 09:51 AM GMT



Jan 18, 2007 at 10:03 AM
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p.13 #2 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Shall we just stick to Increased Reliability in relation to "Pro" cameras?

The 1DII(N) and 1DsII have a designed shutter life 200000 cycles. The 5D "only" has an estimated 100000 shutter actuations. As a professional there may be an increased need to have robust and reliable tools. That's definately what the 1D series offers over the 5D. Then again, you can often catch this by having a backup body. Hence the 5D can do fine with professionals who don't have to operate in the rain


... All we can come up with ourselves has already been said. It's pretty much clear what's reasonable to expect for the 5D Mk II and 40D. Bummer, I want more juicy leaks, pretty please



Jan 18, 2007 at 10:23 AM
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p.13 #3 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


danmitchell wrote:
"I'm looking for the authoritarian definition..."

If one existed, I'd think I'd prefer an authoritative definition over an authoritarion one.


- that's what I get for trying to use big words in the morning, before coffee, and without a dictionary!

Then again, Dad was quite the authoritarian and he was always right..... - or else!



Jan 18, 2007 at 10:26 AM
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p.13 #4 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Canon's history in completing its full camera line in chronological order:

Film era --- Digital era

EOS 650 --- EOS D30
EOS 1 --- EOS 1D
EOS Elan, Rebel --- EOS 10D, Rebel-D
EOS 5 --- EOS 5D
EOS 3 --- an interesting camera for sure



Jan 18, 2007 at 11:45 AM
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p.13 #5 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


I predict Canon reworks the 5D, using a 1.3 crop sensor, maintain the 12 mpix, fps to 5 fps, sensor cleaning, larger print button and calls it the 40D to replace the 30D. It will use the same grip as the 30/20D uses and look and feel pretty much like the 5D/30D. The 5D will be discounted and dropped when they release the 3D later in the year at 16 Mpix FF, with improvement over the 5D, and at the same price point as the 5D was released.


Jan 18, 2007 at 11:53 AM
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p.13 #6 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Canon classifies and markets the 5D as professional:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/billb6/canon-pro-w720.jpg

Period.



Jan 18, 2007 at 12:09 PM
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p.13 #7 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


How about a new film camera? Just kidding...


Jan 18, 2007 at 12:39 PM
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p.13 #8 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Can we PLEASE reclaim this as a rumors page?

Maybe we should have another anchored topic for Pro Camera Qualifications/ Requirements
Maybe we should have another anchored topic for Product Differentiation, Classification, and Marketing in the Canon EOS Line

I want PMA rumors!

Let me start....

I heard from a friend's sister's sylist who PERSONALLY knows the sandwich delivery guy at Canon USA headquarters who overheard the mailroom guys talking about a secret meeting where they showed the new 17-85 f/2 L IS

I cannot wait for this lens! I've wanted this lens since 2004 and my first D-Reb I'll be the first in line! After all the Stylist knows the mailroom guy PERSONALLY you just don't get more reliable information than that!

See how easy it is?



Jan 18, 2007 at 12:40 PM
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p.13 #9 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Monito - THANK YOU!

OK, there we have it. Let's go back to the rumours!
BTW, isn't there a 'PRO digital corner'? Go ask there!



Jan 18, 2007 at 01:17 PM
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p.13 #10 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


I'd like to see the 200mm 1.8 make a return with IS. Nikon has a 2.0, why can't we??

I've read on other sites the 1D Mark II N will be upgraded before the 1DS, so I figure we'll see prices drop on the N, making it a fantastic buy. I've heard that an announcement may come at PMA. Crossing fingers!



Jan 18, 2007 at 01:35 PM
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p.13 #11 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Tentacle wrote:
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The 1DII(N) and 1DsII have a designed shutter life 200000 cycles. The 5D "only" has an estimated 100000 shutter actuations. ...

The EOS3 was said (I believe) to have a shutter life expectancy of 150K shots, but when tested by one of the French mags (Chasseur d'Images?) failed only after more than 400K cycles.
The 10D had no quoted life expectancy at all, but was said to be good for 50K. I sold mine at about 33K. Photogs I know have mostly replaced 10D shutters at over 70K.
Of course, there must be quite a bit of variance in this.
I am not saying this to contest anything said in the post quoted above, but we should perhaps remember that we are putting much greater demands on gear now than until quite recently. In the film era, for any (non-sports) photog to shoot more than about 30K frames a year was quite unusual.



Jan 18, 2007 at 01:53 PM
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p.13 #12 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Darknite, that's the point, there are no decent rumours floating about for us to fight about hence the wishlisting and messing about with peripheral subjects. Personally I think that Canons customer service is somwhat lacking given that it's only a month till the announcements come out and they've leaked NOTHING for us to get excited about.


Jan 18, 2007 at 02:15 PM
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p.13 #13 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Are there any rumors regarding canon putting IS technology into its bodies instead of the lenses?


Jan 18, 2007 at 02:20 PM
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p.13 #14 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


cwphoto wrote:
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Can't comment on the Oly, but the 5D is more aligned to the EOS 5, not the EOS 3. EOS 3 had the 1-series AF, control layout, and most of the build and functions.

EOS 3 was a detuned EOS-1V (born from the same separate engineering section as the regular cams), whereas the EOS 5 was a 'souped up' EOS 100.


I believe this all to be correct. However, I really cannot tell any difference in AF speed between my EOS3 and 5D in practical use. Maybe there have been other developments between the EOS3 and the 5D AF design.



Jan 18, 2007 at 02:27 PM
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p.13 #15 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


I understood from some articles and interviews that Canon was against putting IS in body.



Jan 18, 2007 at 02:36 PM
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p.13 #16 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


sam-lim, I would say don't hold your breath on that one.

Quote from Chuck Westfall: "Moreover, we are firm believers in the superiority of lens-based image stabilization versus body-based stabilization in terms of performance, so chances are good that you will see more IS lenses from Canon over time."

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0610/tech-tips.html

Dale



Jan 18, 2007 at 02:36 PM
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p.13 #17 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


This time I am NOT going full burn on the whole Body IS vs Lens IS

I've done that enough in previous threads. Canon will burn itself if it doesn't (entry level, K10D, Alpha 100) and it will burn itself when it does (lower IS lens sales). The best way out is to intro a kit lens for the 400D and 40D with IS. We'll see.



Jan 18, 2007 at 02:46 PM
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p.13 #18 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


I stare at the screen amazed at 33 pages of guesses and wishes!! 48 days til they're answered.


Jan 18, 2007 at 02:52 PM
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p.13 #19 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


"Are there any rumors regarding canon putting IS technology into its bodies instead of the lenses? "

The only rumor (whim? notion? idle speculation? wish? fear?) I've heard in this regard is that they might want to add IS to more lenses to counter the interest in image stabilized bodies, perhaps even adding IS to more primes.

As far as I know, there is no solid info to support that conjecture though.

Dan



Jan 18, 2007 at 03:06 PM
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p.13 #20 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


There is too much handwringing here over lost sales to competitors. Canon knows that their position so totally dominating the digital SLR market was an anomaly due to early advantages in a fast-changing field and that it couldn't last. So Canon is surely not "worried" per se over a putative decline in market share in some regions in the last few months, but you can be sure it has their attention. It won't materially affect the cameras to be announced this year, since they were already committed to them over a year ago because of design cycles. It may have some effects on cameras to be announced in 2009.

Canon is in this for the long haul and will not react rashly or un-strategically to some short-term developments. Likewise Sony didn't jump in on a whim and just to test the waters. You can be sure Sony will be in this market for several years at the absolute minimum, especially when you consider that they make many Point&Shoots and make the sensors for the Nikon DSLRs.

Even so, Canon may have some semi-revolutionary stuff to announce for the PMA and may be able to win back whatever bit of dominance they may have lost. Or it may not be so revolutionary and they might very profitably continue to be the largest player in the camera market in the world.



Jan 18, 2007 at 03:08 PM
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