if canon can provide a corner to corner sharp 14mmL or even a tad wider i would be in heaven, its no small order i know, but leica sure did it with there 15mm
I'd be all over a Zeiss-like 21mm L. That would compel me to finally go FF.
dcmiller wrote:
If Canon disappoints again, we need to stop complaining and take action. I'm thinking what I'm sure many of you are thinking - trans gender hookers. We hire a very attractive group of these people and send them to seduce the Canon employees at PMA. Their assignment is to first get information, and then fully document their encounter with photos.
Viva Las Vegas
Or we could "just" take pictures. I did it yesterday (with my 1D Mk I, no less...). What a weired feeling.....
lordcarl wrote:
[Yep, he's right. Probably didn't care much about violating his NDA at this point of time. I bet that fella must be residing in China, HK or Taiwan and taking advantage of the long weekend break of the Chinese New Year and decided to let go some info. Most businesses will come back to normal only from next Wednesday (Feb 21) onward. But he stopped short of naming other revolutionary features the new camera has.
So would that be the ID Mark III with the 16mp FF and dynamic crop to 1.255 (just over 10mp).... ISO 100-3200 +H+L and wifi etc then?
Did they get the bugs in the movie mode worked out or is that for the Mark IV?
lordcarl wrote:
That's right, I did ... initially. 12.8MP and full-frame (my prediction). But a few weeks later, I revised that to 10MP via a hint in one of my postings - guess no one notice that one.
Yeah, that's right. But your last "prediction" of any kind was on page 247...
"It's definitely 1D, 1Ds upgrade will happen later.
First half of the year?
Unlikely
Very likely. I will even get to play with it by next week onwards ... hopefully."
So I assume we have a 10MP 10fps 1.3x camera, but we also have
a new 1Ds, right?
Very soon we will discover everybody in this thread has always been right...
Geoff Costello wrote:
So would that be the ID Mark III with the 16mp FF and dynamic crop to 1.255 (just over 10mp).... ISO 100-3200 +H+L and wifi etc then?
Did they get the bugs in the movie mode worked out or is that for the Mark IV?
How the heck do you have a movie mode in a camera with a mirror?
Regards,
How the heck do you have a movie mode in a camera with a mirror?
Regards,
Simple - mirror locks up - you shoot using the display. Imagine - P&S users do this every day - now at least those 1Ds owners will be able to say "well yes my camera does, in fact, take movies".
Does sensor size really mean all that much? It's a big deal in film, because a larger "sensor" area in film means a lower magnification factor to get a certain size print, however this doesn't apply in digital. Suppose someone developed a new sensor type, that allowed for a 39MP APS-C sized sensor, would you be able to tell the difference, in the final print, between that and a 39MP Hassy?
Yes, you could.
The bigger the sensor, the greater control you have over DoF. More specifically, the thinner you can make it. And, assuming that sensor technology is the same across the board, then bigger photo sites / lower pixel densities have always a higher dynamic range and better signal to noise ratio.
The latter may not show up in prints, provided you print small enough, or stick to low ISO numbers, but DoF is linked, by phisycs, to focal length. Crop sensor means you have to go wider for a comparable shot, and thus you can't thin the DoF like you could with a longer lens on a bigger sensor.
21 January 2007: Sharp Japan has announced a new 1/2.5" CCD, now packing a frankly shocking eight million pixels into an area measuring just 5.8 x 4.3 mm it has a pixel pitch of just 1.75 µm which Sharp are proud to announce is the smallest in its class. [...]
With a pixel pitch of 1.75 µm, you can cram 12,686 x 8457 pixels on a 22.2x14.8 mm APS-C sensor. That's 107.2 Mpixel But... do not expect anything stellar in the low-noise department.
Me too. Unless it is 16MP with a 10MP crop, or has some other advance it sounds like a very minor upgrade.
Nikon should be right up with them with the D3H
Regards,
Yakim Peled wrote:
I won't. It will only be 12 mo. at PMA.
Yes, but the sensor in it will be 30 months old. Ditto a lot of the internals. Part of the 30D is still 20D remember?
This one is too slippery to call... 30D sales are getting mauled (echo echo echo, I must have said this before a few times ) so Canon has every reason to ignore the 18 month product cycle. The 18 months are not set in stone you know.
I'm so glad that I don't have and don't need a 1D... that is just sad... 10Mp... 10 fps.. can you plz explain what canon did over the last years...
If that is true, I think Canon is doing something wrong... That will also pretty much mean that we won't see a MF or any thing like that just a freaking 1Ds with 22Mp... how sad is that. Hopfully they will at least show a good lens or something... but my question is what the f*** is Canon doing with all its money.... That can't be it...
Tentacle wrote:
Yes, but the sensor in it will be 30 months old. Ditto a lot of the internals. Part of the 30D is still 20D remember?
Yeah, but this sensor still holds its own against anything released by all the other manufacturers, even after 30 months. Pretty good engineering in my book.
I see a lot of frustration here, and I can understand where it comes from, but I'd advise people to try and relax for just a few more days, and not get all angst-ridden and ready to crown Nikon "winner" over what is (up to now) purely rumor and speculation or (at the very BEST) extremely incomplete information.
Wait to see what actually comes out, you might just be pleasantly surprised. (you never know)
kisielk wrote:
Yeah, but this sensor still holds its own against anything released by all the other manufacturers, even after 30 months. Pretty good engineering in my book.
Excellent engineering notwithstanding, the 30D does not hold its own in the current market. No one ever said that the Market is a rational being. It may have the image quality that puts it on par (or damn close) with the 10 Mpixel cameras, but that doesn't sell. And it gets beaten on features.
10Mp and 10fps may not sound as a large upgrade, but the camera might have other nice features, as:
- smaller body
- lower noise / ISO 6400
- build-in WIFI / Bluetooth
- mirror lockup button
- ...
Geoff Costello wrote:
So would that be the ID Mark III with the 16mp FF and dynamic crop to 1.255 (just over 10mp).... ISO 100-3200 +H+L and wifi etc then?
Did they get the bugs in the movie mode worked out or is that for the Mark IV?
For clarity - the reason I posted this was about mid last year I knew someone who claimed to be testing a "special" version of the 1D series... Basically it looked like a 1Ds Mark II but had a special crop mode on the 16mp sensor to do the 1.255 crop (commonly referred to as 1.3 crop) and up the frame rate to around 8fps from the standard 4ps of the normal 1Ds.Mark II. Interestingly this gave a crop mode image size of in the mid 10mp. And unlike the "gaffer tape" stories others have posted this camera looked perfect, had Canon and EOS 1 on top, just blank black plates where the Ds and Mark II would be. The viewfinder showed crop marks when the high speed crop mode was active. My contact said that Canon had told him that the body was an existing one being used just to test the new dynamic crop technology, and that whatever they released would have an upgraded body and other features they were working on.. There were suposed to be different 'mule' cameras out testing different features for acceptance / reliability etc.
Anyway it was all very hush (and exciting) at the time... A little later my contact had to return the test camera to Canon (they were sharing them around to some CPS pros under some kind of testing and NDA program). Anyway my contact's understanding afterwards was that Canon had been experimenting with a merged 1D / 1Ds and had told him that they weren’t likely to do it because the cost difference was too great and the 1Ds market wanted more MP, while the 1D market wanted speed....
Hence my earlier comments a week or so ago re the FF Erwin Puts rumour about likely having the 1.3 as a dynamic crop as I knew Canon could do it etc... (Though I was a little confused as a 12mp FF becomes about 8mp or a little less at 1.255 crop - which seemed a step down from the current 1D IIN)
When I saw the 10mp x 10fps x 1.3 rumour today I thought other than the speed (perhaps the joy of DIGIC III) it seemed similar especially the 10mp and 1.3... And perhaps Canon (or my contact) had been spreading FUD re the purpose of the camera my contact had for a while last year... Certainly a 16mp FF and 1.3 10mp camera with 10fps at a 1D price would be would be something much more special that a 10mp 1.3 only camera.....
Of course as a tech head it could just be that I'm excited by the idea of dynamic crop and "forcing it" to fit with the rumours I am hearing (which generally aren't mentioning dynamic crop)... I hope not though It would be sooooo cool.... And Canon went to all the trouble of testing it etc....
I really thouht that canon should be able to deliver something like Geoff said... 16 Mp at around 5-8fps and than with a crop mode to 10 MP 10-12fps... They had so much time...
But... do not expect anything stellar in the low-noise department.