belsha, I am not trying to prove anything. I can see that the Leica is focused a bit further than the Canon. At the time I took them, I thought I had matched them, but later on I saw that I hadn't, but the light was gone. My point with posting both crops is that you can see that it is tit-for-tat, and they are roughly equally superior to each other in their respective favorable crops. With two cameras this close in performance, only a fool would try to make absolute conclusions about which is the best camera.
My point in making the tests at all is to show (to myself) that they are roughly equivalent in performance, nothing more. High ISO will remain the 5D's domain though, as will outright resolution, but the M8 has other advantages, and I can live with that.
Dave, I also love the compactness of the M8. I walk around with it inside my jacket, and swing it out when I see something. The other day I had my camera bag over my shoulder when I realised that in it I had two cameras and three lenses (M6, M8, CV15, 50 Lux Asph, 135 Elmarit) which together weighed about the same as the 5D and the two lenses I normally carried (17-40L, 80 Lux), but the Leica equipment is more compact. To top it off, normally I would not carry the 135, but a much smaller third lens.
Pondria: Greens in nature have a high yellow (and some blue) component too -- please add your yellow values so we can get a better idea of how well they translated. Also, please include your R and B values, as these along with the yellow numbers will tell us about total balance as well as overall saturation.
Dave, I have it under my arm, and I have just bought a military-green, bulky winter-jacket, like everyone seemingly wears in Berlin, for this exact purpose
More details: I sling the camera over just one arm, and put the jacket on over top. Then I can swing it out from there without trouble, although only with the default Leica strap. My Upstrap makes this manoevre impossible. It is simply too grippy.
> ...High ISO will remain the 5D's domain though, as will outright resolution, but the M8 has other advantages, and I can live with that.
That seems to me a very objective, clear and sensible appraisal from an M8 owner. Thanks for the uploads Carsten - they do tell us quite a lot. They suggest that the M8's raw performance is certainly closer to the 5D than in the JPEG arena.
I do the jacket over camera trick too. A snub lens makes this much more comfortable.
Yeah, I am beginning to wonder again about my decision to get the 28/2 Asph rather than the 28/2.8 Asph. Anyway, even the 50 Lux Asph fits comfortably, so I am probably fretting over nothing.
bill vann wrote:
I walked hours yesterday with an M8, 15mm CV, 28 elmarit, 35 cron, 50 CV, and 2 90s an old elmarit and CV apo lanthar i was comparing.
This really is what it's all about for me too. It's not pixel peeping, it's ease of use.
Anyway.... please keep us informed of your 90 comparisons. I am still looking for a 90mm, and the C/V is one I would consider....
Hi all:
I have been visiting this board ever since I ordered my M8 back in October. On Sat, Dec 30, the camera arrived. I actually planned on using this camera for more spontanious work (travel, street shooting, etc). My niche is shooting seascapes with a DSLR (1DSII). However the weather has been unusal here on the east coast of the US. Very warm. Several days ago a very very heavy fog rolled in, so I decided to try the M8 for my seascape type work. I went several blocks to one of my favorite spots, and shot at EI 320, and about f2.8 to f4 at about 1/60 second. I used several lenses. The attached shot was with either a Zeiss 35mm f2, or 28mm f2.8 (no EXIF data for uncoded lenses). No IR filters used, but UV filters were used to protect the lens from heavy fog/mist. I blew up the image to 20"x30" using Alien Skin "Blow Up", then added a small amount of grain using Alien Skin "Exposure" to give a little texture to this very large print. I printed on a 7600. The quality of this 20"x30" is definately saleable. The image is here: http://www.modernpictorials.com/D216A%2072%20dpi%20.jpg
Best regards
Dave G.
Beach Haven NJ
Hi all:
I have been visiting this board ever since I ordered my M8 back in October. On Sat, Dec 30, the camera arrived. I actually planned on using this camera for more spontanious work (travel, street shooting, etc). My niche is shooting seascapes with a DSLR (1DSII). However the weather has been unusal here on the east coast of the US. Very warm. Several days ago a very very heavy fog rolled in, so I decided to try the M8 for my seascape type work. I went several blocks to one of my favorite spots, and shot at EI 320, and about f2.8 to f4 t about 1/60 second. I used several lenses. The attached shot was with either a Zeiss 35mm f2, or 28mm f2.8 (no EXIF data for uncoded lenses). No IR filters used, but UV filters were used to protect the lens from heavy fog/mist. I blew up the image to 20"x30" using Alien Skin "Blow Up", then added a small amount of grain using Alien Skin "Exposure" to give a little texture to this very large print. I printed on a 7600. The quality of this 20"x30" is definately saleable. The image is here: http://www.modernpictorials.com/D216A%2072%20dpi%20.jpg
Best regards
Dave G.
Beach Haven NJ
I always do some work in Photoshop, but not much much more than I did in my chemical darkroom for 48 years....burn, dodge. vignette, choose papers and negative developers, time & tempreatue to alter contrast in the negative stage, choice of papers to alter contrast in the print stage. I also did paper negatives, and bas reliefs by sandwiching positive and negatives slightly off register, then making a projection print.
Best.....
Dave
My darkroom is giving me a forlorn look too. It has been ten years since I used it. I don't suppose it's even worth trying to sell my Durst medium format condenser enlarger and Schneider lenses :(
I did that too.... but boy did it make me look fat !! 