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p.52 #1 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Terrific shot David. That's what it's about.


Jan 01, 2007 at 11:46 PM
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p.52 #2 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


FWIW, I've finally determined that my copy definitely front-focuses consistently.

ALF



Jan 02, 2007 at 12:23 AM
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p.52 #3 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


I am thankful to W.Castleman as well as Digital Pictures.Com for their reviews of the lens. They have saved me close to $2k (at the moment).

As far as posted sample images are concerned, some appear nice looking. Some folks postprocess more (skillfully) than others. Subjects and light is different from one sample to another. Lens copies vary, so do photographic techniques.
I trust I am not the only one who has seen some splendid images taken with the EF 50 f/1.8 as well as some lackluster ones obtained with the likes of the EF 300 f/2.8.
However, in the absence of personal experience with the lens, the next best thing for me is an unbiased, comprehensive and expertly test/review.



Jan 02, 2007 at 06:58 PM
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p.52 #4 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


my first copy back-focused pretty severely. My second copy seems spot on so far and hasn't left the body since it came home from the store. I'm definitely starting to love this lens the more i use it.


Jan 02, 2007 at 09:15 PM
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p.52 #5 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


joecirca79: my first copy back-focused pretty severely.

I am just wondering why it is that most of you consider problems like back-focusing to be acceptable on a new $1600 L lens. Am I so out-of-step with the current reality that there is no quality control anymore (even for professional equipment)?



Jan 02, 2007 at 09:44 PM
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p.52 #6 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


mfurman wrote:
I am just wondering why it is that most of you consider problems like back-focusing to be acceptable on a new $1600 L lens. Am I so out-of-step with the current reality that there is no quality control anymore (even for professional equipment)?


I don't know anyone that would find it acceptable for any lens to backfocus, whether it was $300, $1600 or $5000. I do think though that most out there are fine, and we're not hearing complaints because they're too busy shooting with them. Also remember for the most part, FM is a community comprised of amatuers and not working professionals. I guess we'll eventually see how many bad ones are out there based upon the amount of refurbs that hit the marketplace.



Jan 02, 2007 at 10:02 PM
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p.52 #7 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


IraGraham wrote:
I doubt if the above photo would look any worse if shot with a 50mm 1.4. After all, it was not shot at F 1.2 it was shot at F11, so why was the 1.2 lens needed over a 1.4 lens? Someone explain.


David's shot is a marvellous one - it is obvious already in the web version. David says he has shot the scene with several other high priced lenses but not with other 50 mm lenses. I take David's word for this image being much better than his previous shots in the qualities David lists. I doubt that his enthusiasm is only because of different FL; it is more likely because of the overall IQ aspects of this L lens, which have very little to do with the widest aperture. As an example of other image qualities (not related to this shot nor lens), here is a bokeh comparison of three Canon lenses at f/4 and 85 mm: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/490700/10

I have 50 f/1.4 and don't plan to change it because at the moment I have "more gear than talent", as someone's signature says.



Jan 03, 2007 at 10:27 AM
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p.52 #8 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


I can't wait to buy one. I think I will get the 35L first...use it for a while, then pic up the 50L at a reduced price after a couple of months...


Jan 03, 2007 at 12:56 PM
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p.52 #9 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Koivulehto wrote:
David's shot is a marvellous one - it is obvious already in the web version. David says he has shot the scene with several other high priced lenses but not with other 50 mm lenses. I take David's word for this image being much better than his previous shots in the qualities David lists. I doubt that his enthusiasm is only because of different FL; it is more likely because of the overall IQ aspects of this L lens, which have very little to do with the widest aperture. As an example of other image qualities (not related to this
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Thanks Lauri,

Some of the qualities I look for in lenses can't be represented by resolution charts or sharpness/focus tests. I look for clarity/brilliance of the entire image at this range and all ranges...As some have stated, most lenses will show a nice DOF at f/11. But the more subjective qualities have to do with how well the lens exhibits the subtle changes in light, the subtle changes in texture, the subtle changes in "definition" of an object? How "real" does it look? I'm looking for qualities that, so far, can't be measured, but certainly can be appreciated in the final print.

Remember when CDs first came out? Many hi-fi experts felt the sound was sterile and that records had a warmer, real sound to them...difficult to measure, but definitely there...Similarly, consider the subjective qualities of one set of speakers compared to another. Both, when hooked up to a quality amplifier will deliver wonderful sound, but each has their own qualities that make them unique...you might like one set, while I might prefer the other...

One example of lens quality is its ability to render the star effect from a strong light source. Yes, this is subjective. But, it is representative of the quality of the aperture blades and the glass...Here's a comparison of the same scene shot with four different Canon lenses:

http://davidbostockphotography.com/webposts/LensTest.jpg

This isn't scientific...They were all shot with the Canon 1DsII and at f/11. But I reduced a couple of them to show at a similar size...this is simply a comparison of each len's ability to render a star effect.

In my opinion, the 16-35 yeilds the least desireable pattern. And, that's in keeping with my own perceptions of the image quality of the lens. While I like the versatility of this lens, I will not use it for night time shots because I just don't like the way the lights turn out.

The 14mm is the next least desireable look. It's far superior to the 16-35, but everything's relative...the image is good, but not great...By the way, the shot that this particular crop came from is my best selling image...

The 24 TS/E is nice. I like the quality of the star pattern very much; it has definition, you can see there is little "fuzziness" to the "arms" of the star.

Finally, the 50mm. The definition of the star is awesome in my opinion. No fuzziness in the star pattern. It's sharp, clear, and well-defined.

Consider this: Every point of light reflecting off the surface of everything that comes through a lens exhibits the same qualities as the street lights. Every point of light will yeild a star pattern at f/11. You can't see the star patterns in most of those points of light because they're so microscopically small, but make no mistake; they are there, nevertheless. And they impact the quality of the points of light surrounding them, which in turn, impact the points of light surrounding them...and so on and so on...

In my own, subjective, final analysis, I would easily pick the 50mm over any of the others in this comparison. The 24mm TS/E is in second, but frankly a distant second.

Thanks for taking the time to read this unscientific, subjective analysis of lens quality. Me? The 50mm is an awesome lens and a keeper.

Cheers,



Jan 03, 2007 at 09:43 PM
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p.52 #10 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Very cool comparison David, thanks for posting these.


Jan 03, 2007 at 09:56 PM
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p.52 #11 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


dbostock wrote:
Thanks Lauri,

Some of the qualities I look for in lenses can't be represented by resolution charts or sharpness/focus tests. I look for clarity/brilliance of the entire image at this range and all ranges...As some have stated, most lenses will show a nice DOF at f/11. But the more subjective qualities have to do with how well the lens exhibits the subtle changes in light, the subtle changes in texture, the subtle changes in "definition" of an object? How "real" does it look? I'm looking for qualities that, so far, can't be measured, but certainly can be appreciated in the final
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Great comparison. Would you be able to show the difference between the 50 1.2 vs the 50 1.4. That is what I think most people would love to see. But thanks for your examples.



Jan 03, 2007 at 10:16 PM
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p.52 #12 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Real fabulous shot David. I love my copy as well. The more I use it, the more I like it.

Here is a shot I did with mine last night that I figured I'd share. The color, contrast and sharpness out of this lens is fantastic and the boken is real nice at 1.2.

Two bracketed frames 1/250 (backlighting) & 1/50 (for the bottle front)
ISO 320
1.2 Aperture
50mm (obviously)
Manual focus - focus point was at the top of the W in "Wabo" (AF was equally as accurate on other shots)
backlit by christmas lights and candlelight
logo lit by a maglite flashlight diffused with a kleenex
post processed in CS3

http://www.pretephotography.com/lenses/50L/raw/HG9Q4234_sm2.jpg



Jan 03, 2007 at 10:44 PM
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p.52 #13 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Ira, I wish I had the 50 1.4 to show the difference, but I don't...sorry...

Cheers,




Jan 03, 2007 at 10:46 PM
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p.52 #14 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Very nice shots, Ed and David! Thanks for posting!










Jan 03, 2007 at 10:49 PM
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p.52 #15 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


dbostock said: Remember when CDs first came out? Many hi-fi experts felt the sound was sterile and that records had a warmer, real sound to them...difficult to measure, but definitely there...Similarly, consider the subjective qualities of one set of speakers compared to another. Both, when hooked up to a quality amplifier will deliver wonderful sound, but each has their own qualities that make them unique...you might like one set, while I might prefer the other...

I am still buying records and have just got a new turntable so I can relate to your comparison very well. I also remember though when I was buying speaker cables that were more expensive than a decent pre-amp and I hoped that I could hear the difference. I believe that some nuances can be perceived but all the other components (including listening room qualities, in case of audio equipment) have to be perfect.

Your illustration of superiority of 50 f/1.2 is convincing but how many of this type of pictures an average photographer (or even you) would take?

Thank you very much for posting your great image.



Jan 04, 2007 at 08:06 AM
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p.52 #16 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


I have read all the 130 pages, including the speculations in the beginning, the dissapointments vented in the middle and the more balanced and sometimes even postive reports closer to the end (as it is right now). My conclusions this far is that the 50/1.2L is sharp enough, focuses fast and correct enough, and, above all, have a picture quality far better than I can get from my EF50/1.4.
Now this is personal of course. To me absolute resolution is overrated while bokeh, CA and subtle rendering details (star pattern at small aperture openings for example) are all more important. Except of some CA I like what I see in the samples so kindly offered by the lucky and unlucky ones that tried the lens.

I wish the lens had a little less CA but I also think I can deal with that in PP when needed. As I'm not in need of blazingly fast autofocusing I should be happy with it.

So... I dream on. The price here in Sweden where I live is USD 2.020 and I think I can manage with my other 50mm lenses for some time. When the price drops, or my savings get there, I will with no doubt order it. Unless Leica makes an R version of the Noctilux of course...

Thank you all for all the pictures!

/Jonas



Jan 04, 2007 at 06:24 PM
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p.52 #17 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


After analysing several 50L images taken mounted on my 5D, I think the resolution produced is deceptive.

The smoother graduation in tones produced in relation to it's kin contains very good detail that is not harsh and as "sharp" appearing.



Jan 04, 2007 at 06:37 PM
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p.52 #18 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Cabo Wabo a terrific premium Tequila and, yes, maybe just as many people will pay up for Cabo Wabo (smooth graduation of flavor tones) as will for a 50L but not, necessarily, the same people.


Jan 04, 2007 at 10:56 PM
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p.52 #19 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Jonas B wrote:
So... I dream on. The price here in Sweden where I live is USD 2.020 and I think I can manage with my other 50mm lenses for some time. When the price drops, or my savings get there, I will with no doubt order it. Unless Leica makes an R version of the Noctilux of course...


You have 25% VAT, don't you? We have 22%, but I have found it profitable to order US camera gear via internet and pay the shipping + duty + VAT. Except for the brand new Canon products, whose initial price in USA is not equally competitive than what it is for established products - like 300 f/2.8 IS at US$ 3900 with worldwide warranty.

Inside EU we (= at least the Finns) can order by mail and pay only the VAT of the selling country (e.g. Germany), as long as the selling company has not been forced to register itself as a VAT collector in my country - which it would need to do, if it would have sold more than 35.000 EUR worth of goods to Finland in the previous year. I assume the same rules apply EU wide, so you should be able to benefit from the lowish German & Dutch Canon prices in the cases US prices are not competitive.

In Finland the 50L f/1.2 is listed as EUR 1275 (but yet not available from that vendor) and in Netherlands it was listed as something like EUR 1150 in 2006, but in general the Dutch Canon prices are rising in 2007.



Jan 05, 2007 at 04:48 AM
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p.52 #20 · •Hands-On• EF 50/1.2L


Koivulehto wrote:
In Finland the 50L f/1.2 is listed as EUR 1275 (but yet not available from that vendor) and in Netherlands it was listed as something like EUR 1150 in 2006, but in general the Dutch Canon prices are rising in 2007.


Hej Lauri,

We seem to go a little off-topic, but... :

Yes, we have the same rules, and yes, I have also bought some stuff from the US the way you describe. For this lens however, I would like to buy it here in a shop thus avoiding warranty problems; many of the 50/1.2L lenses seem to need focus calibration.
Interesting difference found with the Finnish and Swedish prices - the 3% VAT difference can't explain the USD 360 difference. Maybe Canon prices are lower in general in Finland? Now that Bulgaria and Rumania and Poland and... are parts of EU it may be possible to find other prices...

regards,

Jonas



Jan 05, 2007 at 03:27 PM
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