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If that is your first attempt Adam, it looks like you're gonna give everyone a run for their money! Thats a great shot. I notice no exif data - so I'm curious what you shoot with, camera - lens- B-25 ... that sort of thing.


Nov 16, 2007 at 09:46 AM
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?Jim, I initially tried to respond to your post on Fred Miranda's Forum but for some reason it wouldn't let me. Those are some great air to air photos! I'm an aviator and just getting started in photography and have been very interested in learning more about air to air photography. Unfortunately there seems to be very little information about it out there and the few people that I've written to with questions about it haven't responded to any of my emails. Can you recommend any resources about the technical aspects? How do you find assignments or jobs like these? What kind of platform are you shooting from for your air to air shots (t-6, t-34, or something else?) Have you found that a certain piece of equipment has really made a difference for you? Those are some breath taking images your making there... keep it up because I'm definitely enjoying them! I appreciate you're time."

Blue Skies,
Josh


Hi Josh,

I don't know why you are having a hard time on the thread. Glad you're enjoying our shots and conversation. All of your questions and many more are answered in the 200+ pages, but I'll try to give you the "Cliff Notes". I think you'll find that I'm a fairly optimistic personality, but I would be doing you a dis-service if I didn't answer your query honestly. Here goes...

First, there are a handful of aviation photographers, probably less than that, being hired at a fair rate to shoot the types of assignments that I am blessed to shoot. I had the skill and desire long before I was able to break into the market. You can see the quality of the work that makes it's way to our thread, a sliver of these fine photographers are making a money with their work. The reason none of the photographers you have inquired of have responded is a bit of reality in itself. You can Google a number of studies that researched photographer's average income, broken down into categories. The average income for a commercial photographer in the US is $35,000 annually. The highest income category was portraiture at $72,000, which I find odd because most those guys charge a modest sitting fee and mark their prints up. It doesn't take a great deal of math skill to figure out you can't buy a lot of $8,000 digital bodies and thousand dollar lenses, pay a thousand a month in health care, plus a myriad of other expenses, vehicle, gas, advertising, before you have devised a scheme that will circumvent ever having to pay income tax.

There are two possible reasons that photographers don't respond to questions about launching a career. One is that they are up to their ears being a one man band and only have time to address the issues of the day relating to the survival of their small business. Second, and I don't want this to sound nasty, but I can't sugar coat it either, they have no interest in helping someone launch into the business of photography so that they can have another competitor. There are a few altruistic souls in the business, Paul Bowen being one, who will sit with you and explain how he does what he does, and he'll do it without once beating his own drum, he's a rare individual.

There are the guys on the circuit giving presentations on lighting, marketing, camera techniques, but these people are being substantially compensated by corporate sponsors and they've traded schlepping equipment all over the world for a laptop, an airconditioned room and three squares a day. Truthfully, they are probably making more annually than when they were scrambling for assignments. My point is, they are in a position where they don't care if you learn something and win over an assignment or two from their clients.

This is a thought on the side, but I could spend days on end with large numbers of aspiring photographers, giving them every secret I've learned in 27 years. Very few, if any, could implement what they learn from me without a tremendous amount of practice, and it's unlikely that I would be losing income to them any time soon. Secondly, only a very few have the innate talent to be able to hone their skills to that point. I don't want this to sound egotistical. I could sit in a room with the most gifted mathematician for the rest of my natural days, and I might improve my skills slightly, but I do not have the raw aptitude to go much further than I am today in that discipline (it would be nice to be able to count into the teens without removing my shoes though!).

Along with the realities I have enumerated, there are a couple more that relate specifically to your (our) areas of interest. Aviation, car racing, and all subjects that are saturated with color, speed and emotion, attract a limitless supply of photographers. Certainly many of them are not greatly skilled or overly equipped, but enough are, and digital technology has blurred the line between the pro who knows he captured it before he sees it at his film lab, and the wanna be pro who can just keep shooting, looking, deleting and shooting, until they get something that's usable. Sorry to say, but you just can't over estimate the value of "free" or almost free when a seasoned pro is going to charge thousands of dollars. There are a huge number of potential clients out there that are willing to overlook a great deal in the area of quality, if it's cheap.

You see the quality of the imagery displayed on our thread.I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb when I say that the vast majority of my talented friends here would jump at the opportunity to shoot air to air, or be a preferentially credentialed photographer for an event like "The Gathering", or "AirVenture". The lines of shooters credible and not, who would shoot all day for free just to have the opportunity, stretches farther than you can imagine, and somewhat saturates the market for Pros. Every museum has volunteers on staff who love photography, most can't capture what a seasoned Pro can, but they're FREE.

Josh......Josh....... come out from under your bed. This is where the positive stuff begins. One of the most difficult mind sets I had to overcome in building my business was the perception that there are a million talented photographers out there and most of them are starving. That, by the way, is not far from the truth. However, out of all the photographers and wannabe photographers on this earth today, a very small percentage are going to succeed beyond their wildest dreams. Those will be the ones that had the mix of innate talent, the drive to never quit, no matter how discouraged they might momentarily be, the ones who work and develop their business and marketing skills far beyond the realms of mortal man. The ones who just will not quit and are filled with a love and passion for what they do and who they do it for. Those are the individuals that will be sought out and for their skill and zeal and will be paid for their efforts.

A lesson that is very difficult to learn is that if you give your work away, soon that's what it will be worth. Don't get me wrong, I do occasional shoots for free now, but I choose when they're free, the marketplace doesn't. That's tough to hold yourself to when you want to do a shoot so badly you can taste it, and you need something cool in your portfolio, but do it for free, and you become "the guy who shoots for free".

Well, you asked what time it is and I've proceeded to tell you how to build a watch! I've answered all the questions you didn't ask, here are the answers to the ones you did. I get the assignments I get because I have a reputation for getting more than the client expects, regardless of conditions, and everyone comes home alive and unscathed.My job is to make it look easy and anyone who has been there will tell you it isn't. You need to seek out the clients who value professionalism over economy, results over "free". My platforms range from my 182 to a C-130, with A-36's, Saratoga's, B-25's in between. The best equipment is typically my 24-70 or my most trusted 70-200/2.8, all Canon of course.

I hope to see your name in lights, somebody's will be, might as well be yours.

JW

PS. Guys, feel free to chime in if you think I'm off base here. But I think it's important to know the realities before you launch into something.



Nov 16, 2007 at 09:47 AM
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jbear2000 wrote:
If that is your first attempt Adam, it looks like you're gonna give everyone a run for their money! Thats a great shot. I notice no exif data - so I'm curious what you shoot with, camera - lens- B-25 ... that sort of thing.


I always forget to include EXIF when adding the watermarks.... Here is the info:

Date Modified 2007-11-15 18:20:39
Date Taken 2007-11-10 13:44:15
Camera Canon EOS-1D Mark II N
Exposure Time 0.0031s (1/320)
Aperture f/5.6
ISO 100
Focal Length 700mm (910mm in 35mm)

I was shooting with a 500mm f4 IS lens with a 1.4x teleconverter attached, handheld, from terra firma. (no B-25 for this one)

Thanks for the comments

Adam Haley

Edited by FLORIDAG8R on Nov 16, 2007 at 11:00 AM GMT



Nov 16, 2007 at 10:35 AM
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Hi Adam,

Simply outstanding capture! The lighting couldn't be more dramatic and your technical expertise in the capture is evident. To get that image with the extended focal length you were working with is impressive. One of the best images I think I've ever seen!

JW

Edited by JWilsonphoto on Nov 16, 2007 at 09:43 AM GMT



Nov 16, 2007 at 10:40 AM
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p.116 #5 · Mustang Air to Air


WOW! Thanks Jim! That honesly means the world to me!!


Nov 16, 2007 at 10:42 AM
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Well deserved!! I'm going to start following you around!

JW



Nov 16, 2007 at 10:44 AM
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p.116 #7 · Mustang Air to Air


Jim:

Thank you so much for keeping this thread alive. Both your pictures and your faith are examples for all of us.
Here is my addition to the topic:

Taken with a handheld 10D with a Sigma 70-200 2.8 / 1.4 extender (while keeping up with a 6 a 3 year old )

http://images.stage6.com/user_images/g/geaux/473de00ced78e.jpg
http://images.stage6.com/user_images/g/geaux/473de10ec7bab.jpg

Geaux (Billy)



Nov 16, 2007 at 01:29 PM
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I have spent DAYS following this thread. Please don't stop!!! The images are wonderful. And Jim, thank you so much for your unselfish responses to questions and your honesty. Thank you.

Larry
Avon Park FL



Nov 16, 2007 at 01:43 PM
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Dear Billy and Larry,

Thanks for your participation in our thread! We have no intention of stopping anytime soon. With the airshow season drawing to a close we'll have to rummage through the attic and see what we can come up with from the archives. It'll be Spring by the time I'm through al lof GML!

JW



Nov 16, 2007 at 05:31 PM
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Those of you who have never flown in a Cub, especially a Legend Cub, are missing a view to remember. In the Legend this is the view out both sides. I shot this last week while on a 5 hour cross country to East Texas and back. Twenty knots on the nose makes a huge difference when your subtracting it from 75! There's worse places to be stuck though!!

JW







Nov 16, 2007 at 06:11 PM
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Another shot of Bryan riding the range at DBI.....







Nov 16, 2007 at 06:15 PM
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Jim has pretty much summed up in excellent fashion the inside skinny on getting into the business of photography. Competition is tough, don't expect a lot of help from those you wish to replace and make friends out of the quality individuals you meet along the way. At a time when every person who goes out and buys a "something D" and says to him or herself "hey - i can do this too" the field is getting mighty crowded.

I am probably best described as one of those for all practical purposes. I have a totally unrelated career that I have worked hard to excel in for over 30 years. The corporation I own makes a good bit of money every year and I pay myself well. Competition is tough in that business as well. The best advice I got 20 years ago when I first opened up was to "set a point on the horizon and run like crazy to get there." In other words - set goals for yourself and mark off when you've reached them to check your progress.

I've had a camera in my hands of one kind or another since I was a kid. I had a very hard time justifying giving up my old manual camera for one with a built in light meter or then up to the F3HP - much less the jump to digital with a 10D when they first came out.

Since this photo thing is a serious hobby for me - transitioning to doing it as a job only appeals to me as a way to enjoy my retirement years. I do a few freebee jobs - but only those that introduce me in the right circles for the kind of paying referrals that I want. I love learning new techniques and the business of photography - but only on a limited basis. As my skills advance - or show their limitations - I will continue to mold my photographic services around it - hoping to have something to do once I sell my corporation.

But most importantly - I can say, and I think Jim Wilson and my old friend Paul Bowen would agree with me on the following quote, when I say - there is much more to this ol' life than being the best, most famous, most respected shooter on the planet (or hangin out the back of a B-25). That is a goal - for sure - and an attainable one given enough practice and natural ability. But let me quote writer/philosopher Malcomb Muggeridge when he says this most important lesson to us all:

"I may, I suppose, regard myself as a relatively successful man. People occasionally stare at me in the streets - that's fame.

I can fairly easily earn enough to qualify for admission to the higher slopes of the Internal Revenue - that's success.

Furnished with money and a little fame, even the elderly, if they care to, may partake of trendy diversions - that's pleasure.

It might happen once in awhile that something I said or wrote was sufficiently heeded for me to persuade myself that it represented a serious impact on our time - that's fulfillment.

Yet, I say to you - and beg you to believe - multiply these tiny triumphs by a million, add them all together, and they are nothing - less than nothing, a positive impediment - measured against one draught of that living water Christ offers to the spiritually thirsty.
Irrespective of who or what they are." -- Malcolm Muggeridge


Next time you find yourself in the air - nearly touching the heavens - remember this quote and consider its impact on your next breath.



Nov 17, 2007 at 01:32 PM
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
[...]

A lesson that is very difficult to learn is that if you give your work away, soon that's what it will be worth. Don't get me wrong, I do occasional shoots for free now, but I choose when they're free, the marketplace doesn't. That's tough to hold yourself to when you want to do a shoot so badly you can taste it, and you need something cool in your portfolio, but do it for free, and you become "the guy who shoots for free".


There is a caveat here. IF you operate in (or consider operating in) a photography market where there are more assignments than clients (in other words, a lot of repeat clients) then you can use the First-One-For-Free principle without getting labeled as "the guy who shoots for free".

[...]

PS. Guys, feel free to chime in if you think I'm off base here. But I think it's important to know the realities before you launch into something.


You're shooting it straight Jim, there is little to add. I've experienced similar things in my own dealings in party/concert photography, both in learning proper technique and the Getting Paid side of things.



Nov 17, 2007 at 03:48 PM
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Well said Jon! Christ and His Father picked very few that had any fame or fortune, in fact they gravitated toward the insignificant, and pretty much still do! Makes you wonder why we work so hard to achieve significance.

Never let it be said that "Mustangs Air to Air" leaves any stone unturned, photographic, spiritual, philosophical, it's all here folks! Tell your friends and neighbors!! Seriously, this thread has turned into a digital conversation between old friends, kind of nice.

JW



Nov 17, 2007 at 08:26 PM
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Winter is finally coming here in Finland.

Yesterday I paid a quick visit to the local airport to hunt a little business jet that I knew was coming (most of the time it is sort of "hit and run spotting" here at small airports). When I got to the airport, I got to witness some cool light games of the nature...

I'm not sure what is the name for this phenomina in english, but a free translation from Finnish would be "side sun". Anyways, even though the phenomina itself isn't that rare, I've never seen such at this kind of intense... BTW, this shot was taken a few minutes past midday. The sun is pretty much at its highest point for the day...
http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/sekalaisia/fred/sivuardie2.jpg


Nature is starting to be ready to go to sleep. Breathing is already getting heavy...
http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/sekalaisia/fred/scotty1.jpg


Beam me up, Scotty!
http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/sekalaisia/fred/scotty2.jpg


The trusty old gateguard, MiG-21F was testing its afterburners
http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/sekalaisia/fred/mg61burner.jpg


This is what I was after...
http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/sekalaisia/fred/p4maf_1.jpg


...but like you can see, sometimes it just is other things that make your trips to airport worthwhile

Mikko



Nov 18, 2007 at 02:53 AM
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Beautiful photos, Mikko. We call your first photo "sun dogs":

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/atmos/halo22.html#c3

Mark



Nov 18, 2007 at 12:23 PM
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that's lovely, Mikko. The jet is nice too . Where in Finland are you? Looks like this time of year the 'magic light' lasts all of the day, no? --Lars


Nov 18, 2007 at 12:27 PM
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Hi Mikko,

Nice work! Those are sun dogs, which is the effect of the sun's rays passing through ice crystals and creating a prism effect. I've seen them often, but never to the degree you captured them. Beautiful. I'd say the Hawker was the low point of the day considering your outstanding landscape work!

JW



Nov 18, 2007 at 12:41 PM
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
Well said Jon! Christ and His Father picked very few that had any fame or fortune, in fact they gravitated toward the insignificant, and pretty much still do! Makes you wonder why we work so hard to achieve significance.

Never let it be said that "Mustangs Air to Air" leaves any stone unturned, photographic, spiritual, philosophical, it's all here folks! Tell your friends and neighbors!! Seriously, this thread has turned into a digital conversation between old friends, kind of nice.

JW


We strive not to earn the good graces of our Father, but to honor the grace He has freely given.


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amazing shots of the light on the other side of the world - astounding in fact!



Nov 18, 2007 at 01:46 PM
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Hi Jon,

It's quite amazing that without ever having met you personally, I can value our friendship to the degree that I do. If nothing else came from "Mustangs", knowing you would make it all worth while!

JW



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